John 3:16

[Recovering IFB]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

If you believe in open theism

I'm not a true open theist. I'm in between. Either way, the title doesn't scare me. Are you trying to scare someone or are actually capable of "substance"? So far, all you're doing is mocking. Mocker.....

I know you're not capable. You never have been.

Not trying to scare anybody, just pointing out what Scripture says,

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

If you believe in open theism

I'm not a true open theist. I'm in between. Either way, the title doesn't scare me. Are you trying to scare someone or are actually capable of "substance"? So far, all you're doing is mocking. Mocker.....

I know you're not capable. You never have been.

Not trying to scare anybody, just pointing out what Scripture says,

You did more than just post a verse. You said some other things about it. Do you remember saying "more".... or are you that forgetful?

 

[Recovering IFB]

I'mnot the one calling God a worthless idol

 

[Smellin Coffee]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

Where did David say that?

David said:

But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.

Peter said of David,

Men and brothers, let me freely speak to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us to this day. Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus has God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he said himself, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit you on my right hand, Until I make your foes your footstool.

Though I lean toward children who die go to heaven, I believe David was referring to the grave and hence cannot be used as proof text.

I knew someone would say that. I didn't honestly expect it to be you.

First, the "ascended" part of the sermon of Peter is a reference to "David" not ascending to sit at the righthand of God. Its not that David didn't ascend. Stop ripping the verse from its context. David was prophetically speaking of Christ. Not himself. David did ascend when Christ lead "captivity. captive".

Second. Davids statement was one of hope. Of being joined with his child. It wasn't a statement of finality in the hopelessness of the grave.

Just what hope is there in the grave? Do you look forward to joining you child in turning to dust?

Nobody was suggesting that David claimed to be sitting on the right hand of God. David never mentioned heaven in his writings, only that his seed (Jesus) would not remain in Hades (Sheol - death/grave). Yes, David was prophetically speaking about Christ and Peter made mention of the fact that the ascension was by Jesus and not David. David remained in the tomb.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'mnot the one calling God a worthless idol

Calvin is your worthless idol. You know.... the "little g"..... god.

I never said the One True God is worthless. Just what you've replaced him with.... You know that "breast" you suckle on called "Calvin's teat".

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

David was so clear on the subject, that you already have two different views of it in this one thread.  I'll even propose a third view, that if David was talking about heaven, he may have been talking about HIS baby, and not all babies. 

How's that for David's clarity on the subject?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

David was so clear on the subject, that you already have two different views of it in this one thread.  I'll even propose a third view, that if David was talking about heaven, he may have been talking about HIS baby, and not all babies. 

How's that for David's clarity on the subject?

I honestly was expecting PY to propose the third view.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that's my view.  I'm just illustrating that it's not a clear view. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

David was so clear on the subject, that you already have two different views of it in this one thread.  I'll even propose a third view, that if David was talking about heaven, he may have been talking about HIS baby, and not all babies. 

How's that for David's clarity on the subject?

But he never mentions heaven in that verse. Or anywhere else for that matter. And yes, he was talking about his child.

 

[rsc2a]

Someone who worships a God who learns is accusing others of worshipping idols?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

David was so clear on the subject, that you already have two different views of it in this one thread.  I'll even propose a third view, that if David was talking about heaven, he may have been talking about HIS baby, and not all babies. 

How's that for David's clarity on the subject?

But he never mentions heaven in that verse. Or anywhere else for that matter. And yes, he was talking about his child.

That's pretty much the only clear fact in those verses. 

 

[subllibrm]

Where Do Infants Go When They Die?

Usually to the funeral home.

 

[Recovering IFB]

I'mnot the one calling God a worthless idol

Calvin is your worthless idol. You know.... the "little g"..... god.

I never said the One True God is worthless. Just what you've replaced him with.... You know that "breast" you suckle on called "Calvin's teat".

If you ever read Calvin, most of the time he quotes Paul, Augustine and other church fathers. Besides. Brother, you really do get unhinged on these Arm-Cal debates.....

 

[subllibrm]

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

Many Jews believe the soul is not present at conception but is added (?) at the "quickening". It was a commonly held belief among Christians as well. Not that long ago, it was common practice to not mention that you were pregnant until you felt the baby actively moving. This would have been taken as an indication that God had en-souled (?) your baby. This is among the reasons why the abortion debate was not much of an issue in the church up to and during the Roe v Wade proceedings. And it also informed what became known as the trimester concept of gestation.

 

[subllibrm]

David is quite clear on the matter. Babies who die go to Heaven.

One passage doctrines are pretty weak sauce.

 

[subllibrm]

If you have something to say about Greg's rebuttal, I'll be glad to help you with it.

I would rather talk about your rebuttal. So when you post one, let me know. 

 

[subllibrm]

It's simple. No one is as smart as PY...

...but Boyd is 95% there.

Okay, that made me laugh! 

 

[subllibrm]

I'mnot the one calling God a worthless idol

Calvin is your worthless idol. You know.... the "little g"..... god.

I never said the One True God is worthless. Just what you've replaced him with.... You know that "breast" you suckle on called "Calvin's teat".

Says the one suckling on Boyd's teat. Well, 95% of it anyway.  8)

 

[subllibrm]

David was so clear on the subject, that you already have two different views of it in this one thread.  I'll even propose a third view, that if David was talking about heaven, he may have been talking about HIS baby, and not all babies. 

How's that for David's clarity on the subject?

I honestly was expecting PY to propose the third view.

Now that it is out of the bag, maybe he will have to come up with a 4th option.

 

[subllibrm]

Where Do Infants Go When They Die?

Usually to the funeral home.

Not always. I never went to a funeral for an aborted baby.

Your question was about an infant dying. If you meant an aborted baby you should have said that.

 

[praise_yeshua]

And the soul will be eternally in heaven or hell ... kind of makes me wonder where our soul comes from in the first place. Is that developed within the womb as the life grows? Does God add it at some point? No. I don't have any thoughts on that one (shocked?).

Many Jews believe the soul is not present at conception but is added (?) at the "quickening". It was a commonly held belief among Christians as well. Not that long ago, it was common practice to not mention that you were pregnant until you felt the baby actively moving. This would have been taken as an indication that God had en-souled (?) your baby. This is among the reasons why the abortion debate was not much of an issue in the church up to and during the Roe v Wade proceedings. And it also informed what became known as the trimester concept of gestation.

Interesting. Thanks.

That is the stupidest thing I ever heard!!!

Its a lie.