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That's pretty serious. I only sleep through the day and thirst for blood.
Just a Bad Flu Season After All?
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I'm presuming the blood of the unvaccinated.
Your avoiding the question. 3 deaths were enough to halt the program in nine states. This in the midst of the panic.From the guy who was hired to research what happened with the Pig Flu vaccine in 1977 by Jimmy Carter:
Why was the program discontinued?
"People were getting a little antsy—should we really be doing this? And then there was the identification of the rare side effect, Guillain-Barré Syndrome [in some vaccine recipients]—this is an ascending paralysis that occasionally occurs after viral infection and has not been associated with any other influenza vaccine [nor has it been found to be associated with the COVID-19 vaccines]. But it does appear, from the best assessments, that this was a rare side effect, maybe one in a million. And that occurrence was enough. That, along with the fact that there was no disease, led to the formal abandonment of the program. That was in December.
Then, what happened, as you know, there was a change in presidency—Jimmy Carter was inaugurated in 1977. There was an outbreak of influenza in a nursing home in Florida, not the swine flu, but A/Victoria influenza, the other flu that had been circulating. And the question came up: Should we start using this vaccine we have, to protect against A/Victoria? Because all the vaccines that had been produced that year were combination vaccines, meant to protect against both swine type and A/Victoria."
So according to Harvey Fineberg from Harvard School of Public Health a rare side effect combined with the fact almost no one was getting the swine flu (there was no pandemic) led to discontinuing the program. Of interest is the fact that they did not discard the vaccine. The pig flu vaccine was combined with another flu vaccine. So when there was an outbreak of this other flu in Florida they used some of the remaining combo vaccine to vaccinate people in 1977. I've included the full article in case you want to get into the details.
The Time America Tried to Inoculate Everyone Against a Pandemic That Never Showed
Some officials feared 1976 might become a “second 1918.” It didn’t happen.slate.com
Why do you think that was?
According to the guy who researched the issue in 1977 it is because there was no pandemic. No one was getting sick so very few were getting the vaccine. As I stated above the vaccine also contained the regular flu vaccine and when there was a flu outbreak in FL they did use the vaccine. So it wasn't really halted. The vaccine was used again in 1977.
Three deaths halted the program in nine states before your beloved fizzle because they deemed the vaccine unsafe. It wasn't even determined at the time whether or not the deaths were a direct result of the vaccine. It was too risky--and this in the heart of the panic.
Now, several thousand deaths into the covid vaccine program, and it is neither deemed risky nor unsafe.
That's the point, and you know it.
Actually the swine flu had pretty much run its course and never impacted that many people. 1 person died from it and 13 were hospitalized. And the vaccine was not pulled as it was used in Florida the following year. Most considered it laughable to call it a pandemic.
Actually, the vaccines were halted because they were deemed unsafe with only 3 reported deaths.
Then why did they use those same vaccines several months later in Florida?
Several months later is irrelevant. At the time, when they thought the world was ending, they halted the vaccination program.
With the reports of 3 deaths.
I'll give you a summary of what happened and you let me know what part of it you doubt I'll give you the relevant parts from the guy who wrote the report in 1977 on this "pandemic" and the subsequent vaccine. A few soldiers came down with swine flu which could not be traced to any interaction with pigs and therefore was believed to be a dreaded human to human contact version. It was also believed by researchers that this was the strain of flu that killed millions in 1918 (it wasn't it was actually an avian flu strain). The president committed to getting 200 million Americans vaccinated (this was an election year). The pharmaceutical companies began pumping out vaccine over the summer. By this time everyone was beginning to realize this was not a pandemic after all. However, commitments had been made and it was an election year. They struggled to get individuals to get vaccinated because almost no one knew of anyone who had even gotten this swine flu. Three people died at one vaccine site who were elderly and had heart disease. Two were confirmed heart attacks and one was suspected heart attack (no autopsy). People at the time did not suspect these deaths were from the vaccine but it gave them reason to pause the vaccine for a "pandemic" that never materialized.
The vaccine was not destroyed nor was it's use on humans prohibited. When this vaccine was distributed it contained the swine flu vaccine as well as the vaccine for a common version of the flu that was circulating that year. When there was an outbreak of the flu months later this same combo vaccine was used to vaccinate people in Florida. What Ekklesian calls the Swine Flu "pandemic" of 1976 resulted in 13 hospitalizations and 1 death nationwide. Ekklesian is trying to call this an equivalent to a real pandemic where you can find more deaths and hospitalizations in one small town that what occurred across the entire nation in the Swine Flu "Pandemic".
That's all hindsight. The vaccination program in nine states was halted because of the report of 3 deaths.
Facts are stubborn things.
Perhaps in your Land of Make Believe that's what happened. In the real world Harvey Fineberg who investigated the episode explains it was the absence of disease that primarily ended the program (not the vaccine, though). You can read his answers to questions that were put to him below.
How much did the coincidental deaths that you mentioned affect public perception of the immunization campaign and uptake of the vaccine?
Well, really what affected it more was the absence of disease! Nobody was getting the swine flu, so what, people felt, was the point?
Why was the program discontinued?
People were getting a little antsy—should we really be doing this? And then there was the identification of the rare side effect, Guillain-Barré Syndrome [in some vaccine recipients]—this is an ascending paralysis that occasionally occurs after viral infection and has not been associated with any other influenza vaccine [nor has it been found to be associated with the COVID-19 vaccines]. But it does appear, from the best assessments, that this was a rare side effect, maybe one in a million. And that occurrence was enough. That, along with the fact that there was no disease, led to the formal abandonment of the program. That was in December.
Then, what happened, as you know, there was a change in presidency—Jimmy Carter was inaugurated in 1977. There was an outbreak of influenza in a nursing home in Florida, not the swine flu, but A/Victoria influenza, the other flu that had been circulating. And the question came up: Should we start using this vaccine we have, to protect against A/Victoria? Because all the vaccines that had been produced that year were combination vaccines, meant to protect against both swine type and A/Victoria.
Did they end up using those doses for the other flu?
Yes, they did. [Editor’s note: And for A/Victoria influenza, at least, the combined vaccine seems to have worked.]
Again, hindsight.
You are correct he didn't investigate until about 9 months after it was over, but then I don't know of many investigations that take place until after the event they are investigating is over.
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Yeah, but that's just because you're an ignorant sheeple who doesn't read the right blogs.
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Keep believing the Government about everything.
Keep believing the Government about everything.
Nine states halted the vaccine when they thought the world was ending--after only three reports of death thought related to it.
That's the point.
That's the point.
But they did not think the world was ending. By the time the vaccine was being distributed they already had indications that they were wrong about the outbreak, however it was an election year, commitments were made, and the machinery was already rolling. Really not a good comparison for the COVID vaccine anyway. 1 dead and 13 hospitalized is a far cry from 611k dead and 34M infected.
You can see from Harvey Fineberg's (guy appointed under Carter to investigate the vaccine rollout of 76) response below that the main reason people were not getting the vaccine is they didn't see anyone getting ill.
How much did the coincidental deaths that you mentioned affect public perception of the immunization campaign and uptake of the vaccine?
Well, really what affected it more was the absence of disease! Nobody was getting the swine flu, so what, people felt, was the point?
So, you're saying it was political posturing after all . . . but not this time.
Will politicians try to seize on any issue for their benefit? There are 611K dead people who if they were still with us would assure you that COVID is a real pandemic.