graceandtruth said:aleshanee said:graceandtruth said:aleshanee said:
Thanks for the info aleshanee.
Your assumption that I didn't look at the evidence because I didn't arrive at the same conclusion with you and the rest of the folks on this forum is quite incorrect and telling.
I am aware that others have experienced discrimination in america. I am also aware that each group has a unique experience and those from the other groups do not full grasp the experience of others. I know their is a difference between being stolen from your homeland and having your homeland stolen from you. I know there is a difference between being denied your humanity and the ability to understand what is happening to you in a strange land and the same things occurring in your homeland. I know there is a difference between your culture being accepted as valid, i.e. Native Americans, and your culture being declared invalid, i.e. African-Americans.
I am not being any more divisive when I point out the issues that effect African-Americans in america than Paul was when he reference the existence of Jews and Gentiles. Paul refused to let the dominate culture of the Jews in the church become the culture of the church but this has not been the case in america. Paul did not call for assimilation or ignoring the issues as those in this forum have but instead he called for acceptance of differences and different views.
My concern with the subject is the silence of some and the vocal support of injustice or cry that there can be no such thing as injustice when it comes to African-americans and their insistence that I join them. My concern is with the euro view that other people groups need their paternal input to "really" understand what they experience. My concern is with those who claim to be Christians continuing the silence and support for injustice that characterized the church in america during slavery, Jim Crow, etc. My concern is that the people on this forum feel it is christlike to insult and belittle me because I do not agree with their skewed view. My concern is that the same people who hold up the prophets' identification with their fathers' sins as an example of Christianity refuse to do the same but yet identify all African-americans who disagree with them with the sins of their brothers.
Oh yeah, I don't know who EW is but my name is Wesley Roy and I am not EW but I am WR.
what do you know of your culture graceandtruth?.... have you ever made an effort to learn about it?... .. do you ever lie awake at night and wish your ancestors had never been removed from it... and that you and your family were immersed in that culture still?....
and what do you know of me or my culture?... what makes you believe my culture was ever considered valid or accepted?..... you say my assumption that you didn;t look at evidence (which you never the less disregarded whether you actually looked or not) ... is "telling"?... .. ok....... and when you try to assume some superior mantel of "collective injustice" based on the history of your people.. then imply you think that i don;t understand because my culture was somehow accepted when yours was not... that is also telling... ..... european americans never considered my culture valid.... they did all could to destroy it..... and the u.s army contracted to help destroy it and to keep my ancestors from preserving their culture in 1890 certainly did not accept it or consider it valid either....
and did you know... that when the u.s army opened fire with cannons on a group of starving and near frozen to death native americans 1890... then sent the cavalry to chase down those who tried to run away in the snow.... trampling women and children under the hooves of their horses... that african american members of that cavalry.. (called buffalo soldiers).. were among those who not only too part riding those women and children down.... but also received commendations for their "heroic" actions.... .. and that wasn;t a rare or unique incidence either... the history of african american cavalry.. or buffalo soldiers... not only being sent to assist in the slaughter of native americans all over the western united states in the late 19th century... but also of them carrying out that duty with great enthusiasm.... is well known....
why am i saying this?...... because if you are going to adorn yourself with the collective mantle of the history of your people... and claim a right to anger and indignation against the rest of us based on that history... whether or not anything ever happened to you personally ... then you should be willing to accept and wear all the parts of that mantle and collective history.... .. both that which you feel justifies you and entitles you to your anger.... and also that which should make you feel ashamed.... . if i am supposed to feel ashamed and partly responsible...as a native american... for what european americans that i am not even related to did your people in previous centuries... ... then perhaps you should feel ashamed for what african americans.. which you are related to and have also claimed the collective mantle of ....did to mine in a more recent century......
you should give careful thought to this wave of righteous indignation and air of moral superiority that have over taken you here in recent weeks.... and consider whether all of it is justified.....
I apologize for our involvement in the oppression of your people. I have no mantle but I just as emotionally charged about the stealing and systemic dehumanizing of my ancestors. I am also emotionally charged about the fact that people think we should be silent about the ways in which this treatment of African-americans continues in more subtle but just as real ways today.
I have no qualm with you and do not claim to have some superior position. We have been robbed of our names, languages, history, humanity, dignity, cultures, etc. and any attempts to bring these facts to light are summarily rebuffed. My last name is Roy which is Scottish.........really. I am not blaming you for this because you have experienced the same type of events. However, I see no reason not to speak to the African-american reality in america.
Strange that we cheer the prophets when they say we and our fathers have sinned but when it is america's turn...............
If I can forgive the Germans and Russians for how they treated my ancestors, I am pretty sure you can forgive Europeans and Americans for how we treated yours. Now, man up, grow up, and get over it you big whiny baby!
