KJV class at Bible college

[nightbusheretic14]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

 

[FSSL]

Because it is difficult to find 1611 KJVs.

 

[Tennessean]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

What years were you at HAC?

 

[prophet]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

 

[nightbusheretic14]

I finished HAC in 2013

 

[bgwilkinson]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

I do not believe there ever has been a serious class on the history and transmission of the scriptures at HAC. I could be wrong, as I did not attend HAC but only took a few classes in the 70s.

Ed Reese was probably the only knowledgeable person other than Grady as far as I can remember.

Here is a link to Ed Reese's best work.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Reese-Chronological-Bible-Edward/dp/0871231158

Here is the one by Grady.
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Authority-Christians-Guide-James/dp/0962880914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426206956&sr=1-1&keywords=Final+authority

These I believe were the best HAC could do. They pale in comparison to those I list below.

If you want an unbiased account of the English Bible I would suggest these two.

The first one is:
Wide As the Waters by Bobrick  The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution.

Great book that explains the effect of the English Bible on English and American History.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=wide%20as%20the%20waters&sprefix=wide+as%2Cstripbooks

The second is:
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture.
By Alister McGrath

If you get just one get this one. Alister is a 3 time earned Oxford Doc, he makes history exciting. He's the real deal.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=in+the+begining%2C+alister+mcgrath&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ain+the+begining%5Cc+alister+mcgrath



There is a great deal that should be learned about how we got the scriptures. Here is a book I enjoy that tells the story of the scriptures, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Bible didn't just pop up in the 1500s. God's people for thousands of years have had God's Word in written form.

The Parchments of the Faith by George E. Merrill. From 1899 until his death he was president of Colgate University. You have to dig to find out he had an earned Doc.

Keep in mind these are old books and some of them is a bit out of date, but you can't beat the price. They are a fun read.

http://ia902708.us.archive.org/24/items/parchmentsoffait00merr/parchmentsoffait00merr.pdf

The story of the manuscripts. By Rev. George E. Merrill

http://ia902500.us.archive.org/15/items/storyofmanuscrip00merr/storyofmanuscrip00merr.pdf


I believe if more Christians studied where and how they got their Bibles we may have less goofy KJVO stuff going around.

 

[Bruh]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

I do not believe there ever has been a serious class on the history and transmission of the scriptures at HAC. I could be wrong, as I did not attend HAC but only took a few classes in the 70s.

Ed Reese was probably the only knowledgeable person other than Grady as far as I can remember.

Here is a link to Ed Reese's best work.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Reese-Chronological-Bible-Edward/dp/0871231158

Here is the one by Grady.
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Authority-Christians-Guide-James/dp/0962880914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426206956&sr=1-1&keywords=Final+authority

These I believe were the best HAC could do. They pale in comparison to those I list below.

If you want an unbiased account of the English Bible I would suggest these two.

The first one is:
Wide As the Waters by Bobrick  The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution.

Great book that explains the effect of the English Bible on English and American History.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=wide%20as%20the%20waters&sprefix=wide+as%2Cstripbooks

The second is:
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture.
By Alister McGrath

If you get just one get this one. Alister is a 3 time earned Oxford Doc, he makes history exciting. He's the real deal.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=in+the+begining%2C+alister+mcgrath&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ain+the+begining%5Cc+alister+mcgrath



There is a great deal that should be learned about how we got the scriptures. Here is a book I enjoy that tells the story of the scriptures, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Bible didn't just pop up in the 1500s. God's people for thousands of years have had God's Word in written form.

The Parchments of the Faith by George E. Merrill. From 1899 until his death he was president of Colgate University. You have to dig to find out he had an earned Doc.

Keep in mind these are old books and some of them is a bit out of date, but you can't beat the price. They are a fun read.

http://ia902708.us.archive.org/24/items/parchmentsoffait00merr/parchmentsoffait00merr.pdf

The story of the manuscripts. By Rev. George E. Merrill

http://ia902500.us.archive.org/15/items/storyofmanuscrip00merr/storyofmanuscrip00merr.pdf


I believe if more Christians studied where and how they got their Bibles we may have less goofy KJVO stuff going around.

Is your pastor goofy for being KJVO?

 

[bgwilkinson]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

I do not believe there ever has been a serious class on the history and transmission of the scriptures at HAC. I could be wrong, as I did not attend HAC but only took a few classes in the 70s.

Ed Reese was probably the only knowledgeable person other than Grady as far as I can remember.

Here is a link to Ed Reese's best work.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Reese-Chronological-Bible-Edward/dp/0871231158

Here is the one by Grady.
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Authority-Christians-Guide-James/dp/0962880914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426206956&sr=1-1&keywords=Final+authority

These I believe were the best HAC could do. They pale in comparison to those I list below.

If you want an unbiased account of the English Bible I would suggest these two.

The first one is:
Wide As the Waters by Bobrick  The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution.

Great book that explains the effect of the English Bible on English and American History.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=wide%20as%20the%20waters&sprefix=wide+as%2Cstripbooks

The second is:
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture.
By Alister McGrath

If you get just one get this one. Alister is a 3 time earned Oxford Doc, he makes history exciting. He's the real deal.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=in+the+begining%2C+alister+mcgrath&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ain+the+begining%5Cc+alister+mcgrath



There is a great deal that should be learned about how we got the scriptures. Here is a book I enjoy that tells the story of the scriptures, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Bible didn't just pop up in the 1500s. God's people for thousands of years have had God's Word in written form.

The Parchments of the Faith by George E. Merrill. From 1899 until his death he was president of Colgate University. You have to dig to find out he had an earned Doc.

Keep in mind these are old books and some of them is a bit out of date, but you can't beat the price. They are a fun read.

http://ia902708.us.archive.org/24/items/parchmentsoffait00merr/parchmentsoffait00merr.pdf

The story of the manuscripts. By Rev. George E. Merrill

http://ia902500.us.archive.org/15/items/storyofmanuscrip00merr/storyofmanuscrip00merr.pdf


I believe if more Christians studied where and how they got their Bibles we may have less goofy KJVO stuff going around.

Is your pastor goofy for being KJVO?

By KJVO I am talking about someone who says as the Catholics of the 1500s said that there is one and only one version that is the Word of God. This is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as it consigns all other Bible  versions as not being the Word of God.

In the 1500s the Catholics taught that only the Latin Vulgate was the Authentic Word of God, you could get yourself killed, as Tyndale did, by even possessing another version. This is clearly a doctrine of devils.

I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.

I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.

 

[IFB X-Files]

He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

A little "clarity" on Ruckman.  Taken from his commentary of Luke, page 4.

 

[rsc2a]

I received a real nasty letter from a Puerto Rican one time. He said, "What do you mean with all this English stuff?…What about all us [Spanish-speaking] folks down in Puerto Rico here? We had a Bible before the King James came out." I guess he thought I was an Englishman. I wrote him back and told him, "If it weren't for England, we wouldn't know where you're at. Latitude and longitude are given to every airplane in the air and every ship in the sea by the equator and England." You can't even locate Pensacola without finding England. If you put out a distress call, and say, "I'm in trouble," they ask, "What's the longitude and latitude?" And you give England as the mark. How do you explain that? Absolute location is English location. Absolute time is English time. Why would you think that absolute truth wasn't English truth?

- Peter Ruckman

 

[rsc2a]

A whole bunch of cited quotes where Petey claims the KJV is the only real Scripture:

http://en.literaturabautista.com/danger-ruckmanism

 

[bgwilkinson]

A whole bunch of cited quotes where Petey claims the KJV is the only real Scripture:

http://en.literaturabautista.com/danger-ruckmanism

Yep, and that's the blasphemy against the Breather of the Scriptures to which I refer.

Total unambiguous blasphemy.

 

[bgwilkinson]

He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

A little "clarity" on Ruckman.  Taken from his commentary of Luke, page 4.

"I have the Scriptures and they don't", unambiguous blasphemy against the Breather of the Scriptures.

 

[Fresh Air]

In the early 90's I had Grady for Contemporary Theology. The vast majority of the class contained the material that later became his book Final Authority. It is one of the few classes of academic or doctrinal substance I had at HAC.

 

[Bruh]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

I do not believe there ever has been a serious class on the history and transmission of the scriptures at HAC. I could be wrong, as I did not attend HAC but only took a few classes in the 70s.

Ed Reese was probably the only knowledgeable person other than Grady as far as I can remember.

Here is a link to Ed Reese's best work.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Reese-Chronological-Bible-Edward/dp/0871231158

Here is the one by Grady.
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Authority-Christians-Guide-James/dp/0962880914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426206956&sr=1-1&keywords=Final+authority

These I believe were the best HAC could do. They pale in comparison to those I list below.

If you want an unbiased account of the English Bible I would suggest these two.

The first one is:
Wide As the Waters by Bobrick  The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution.

Great book that explains the effect of the English Bible on English and American History.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=wide%20as%20the%20waters&sprefix=wide+as%2Cstripbooks

The second is:
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture.
By Alister McGrath

If you get just one get this one. Alister is a 3 time earned Oxford Doc, he makes history exciting. He's the real deal.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=in+the+begining%2C+alister+mcgrath&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ain+the+begining%5Cc+alister+mcgrath



There is a great deal that should be learned about how we got the scriptures. Here is a book I enjoy that tells the story of the scriptures, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Bible didn't just pop up in the 1500s. God's people for thousands of years have had God's Word in written form.

The Parchments of the Faith by George E. Merrill. From 1899 until his death he was president of Colgate University. You have to dig to find out he had an earned Doc.

Keep in mind these are old books and some of them is a bit out of date, but you can't beat the price. They are a fun read.

http://ia902708.us.archive.org/24/items/parchmentsoffait00merr/parchmentsoffait00merr.pdf

The story of the manuscripts. By Rev. George E. Merrill

http://ia902500.us.archive.org/15/items/storyofmanuscrip00merr/storyofmanuscrip00merr.pdf


I believe if more Christians studied where and how they got their Bibles we may have less goofy KJVO stuff going around.

Is your pastor goofy for being KJVO?

By KJVO I am talking about someone who says as the Catholics of the 1500s said that there is one and only one version that is the Word of God. This is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as it consigns all other Bible  versions as not being the Word of God.

In the 1500s the Catholics taught that only the Latin Vulgate was the Authentic Word of God, you could get yourself killed, as Tyndale did, by even possessing another version. This is clearly a doctrine of devils.

I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.

I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.

So, if I understand you correctly, he is 100% ok with English speaking people using preaching, studying and memorizing other versions of the bible? Is this correct?

 

[bgwilkinson]

While I was at HAC, I was always told that the KJV is the only Bible we should use. It's kind of sad that I never had a class about it. Did any of you in the previous generations at HAC have a class on the KJV?

HAC wasn't KJVO until the 90's.

One of the best books written on the issue, was written by a HAC professor.
"Final Authority", by William P. Grady.

He taught, while I was there, but not on the KJV preference of the institution.

HAC was, and still is TRO, but recommended the RV/ASV as well, which aren't TR based.

Believe it or not, HAC and Jack Hyles had a different opinion on the Scripture, by the late 80's.

I do not believe there ever has been a serious class on the history and transmission of the scriptures at HAC. I could be wrong, as I did not attend HAC but only took a few classes in the 70s.

Ed Reese was probably the only knowledgeable person other than Grady as far as I can remember.

Here is a link to Ed Reese's best work.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Reese-Chronological-Bible-Edward/dp/0871231158

Here is the one by Grady.
http://www.amazon.com/Final-Authority-Christians-Guide-James/dp/0962880914/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426206956&sr=1-1&keywords=Final+authority

These I believe were the best HAC could do. They pale in comparison to those I list below.

If you want an unbiased account of the English Bible I would suggest these two.

The first one is:
Wide As the Waters by Bobrick  The Story of the English Bible and the Revolution.

Great book that explains the effect of the English Bible on English and American History.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=wide%20as%20the%20waters&sprefix=wide+as%2Cstripbooks

The second is:
In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture.
By Alister McGrath

If you get just one get this one. Alister is a 3 time earned Oxford Doc, he makes history exciting. He's the real deal.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=in+the+begining%2C+alister+mcgrath&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Ain+the+begining%5Cc+alister+mcgrath



There is a great deal that should be learned about how we got the scriptures. Here is a book I enjoy that tells the story of the scriptures, the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Bible didn't just pop up in the 1500s. God's people for thousands of years have had God's Word in written form.

The Parchments of the Faith by George E. Merrill. From 1899 until his death he was president of Colgate University. You have to dig to find out he had an earned Doc.

Keep in mind these are old books and some of them is a bit out of date, but you can't beat the price. They are a fun read.

http://ia902708.us.archive.org/24/items/parchmentsoffait00merr/parchmentsoffait00merr.pdf

The story of the manuscripts. By Rev. George E. Merrill

http://ia902500.us.archive.org/15/items/storyofmanuscrip00merr/storyofmanuscrip00merr.pdf


I believe if more Christians studied where and how they got their Bibles we may have less goofy KJVO stuff going around.

Is your pastor goofy for being KJVO?

By KJVO I am talking about someone who says as the Catholics of the 1500s said that there is one and only one version that is the Word of God. This is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit as it consigns all other Bible  versions as not being the Word of God.

In the 1500s the Catholics taught that only the Latin Vulgate was the Authentic Word of God, you could get yourself killed, as Tyndale did, by even possessing another version. This is clearly a doctrine of devils.

I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.

I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.

So, if I understand you correctly, he is 100% ok with English speaking people using preaching, studying and memorizing other versions of the bible? Is this correct?

This is a blast from the past, the 100% for Hyles days. I just looked at my box of buttons, oh the memories.

I can not speak for him, you should ask him yourself.

We are walking a tightrope so as not to lose any KJVO leaning people. I think we want it both ways.

You should check out our carefully crafted statement on the scriptures at the beginning of our corp By-Laws.

The problem is with people who elevate the English above the Hebrew and Greek. Elevating a version over the Theopneustia is both silly and stupid.

Here are a couple of books my parents made me read as part of my education during our many travels. They both have become goods friends to me.

Both of these are by Gaussen, Louis, 1790–1863

Theopneustia. The Bible: its divine origin and inspiration, deduced from internal evidence and the testimonies of nature, history, and science
http://commons.ptsem.edu/id/theopneustiabibl00gaus?keywords=gaussen

The canon of the Holy Scriptures from the double point of view of science and faith
http://commons.ptsem.edu/id/canonofholyscr00gaus?keywords=gaussen

 

[Bruh]

Here's the thing bg, it seems all the things you criticize, your church and pastor (besides maybe power and such) are.......smh.

Ask him? Really? You said, you spoke with him. You know, that church wouldn't have called him as pastor if he wasn't KJVO for the English speaking people. SMH!

 

[RAIDER]

I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.

I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.

So are you saying that Wilkerson is ok with church members using other versions?  Is he ok with Sunday School teachers correcting the KJV in their class?  If he is not KJVO he would probably be ok with these, correct?

 

[Bruh]

I have discussed this matter with the current pastor and he would not say that the KJV is the only Word of God. He is not what I would define as KJVO like Riplinger or Ruckman.

So no he is not goofy he is not KJVO.

I happen to like the KJV also, and use it as my main English scripture text, I am in no way KJVO.

So are you saying that Wilkerson is ok with church members using other versions?  Is he ok with Sunday School teachers correcting the KJV in their class?  If he is not KJVO he would probably be ok with these, correct?

Thank you!

 

[Bruh]

Bg, we want to know if you think your current pastor is goofy or not?