KJV question

[BALAAM]

I have heard most of my adult life about revisions to the kjv of the bible being only spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I just read an article that said there have been over 100,000 changes since the original 1611 was published.

If there have been changes between the various revisions; does anyone know of a reliable source where these changes can be found? (or rather, founde)

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I googled "list of changes to the kjv since 1611" and some interesting links and examples of changes turned up, but no indication of 100,000 changes.

 

[BALAAM]

I googled "list of changes to the kjv since 1611" and some interesting links and examples of changes turned up, but no indication of 100,000 changes.

One of the problems is that you hear a lot of stuff and read a lot of stuff and the tendency is to just repeat it without knowing for sure if it is true or not.

 

[bgwilkinson]

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I have purchased many of their exact reproductions of ancient Bibles.




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Between 1762 and 1769 there were FORTY THOUSAND CHANGES made, including several hundred wording changes made in the 1611 King James Bible. I'm not talking about just spelling changes or just little typographic errors, either. Allow me to provide just 3 of the more than 400 examples:

    Numbers 6: 14
1611 to 1761 KJV Bibles:  one lamb without blemish
1770 to 2016 ?KJV? Bibles:  one ram without blemish

    Ezekiel 24: 7
1611 to 1761 KJV Bibles:  poured it upon the ground
1770 to 2016 ?KJV? Bibles:  poured it not upon the ground

    John 15: 20
1611 to 1761 KJV Bibles:  The servant is not greater than the Lord.
1770 to 2016 ?KJV? Bibles:  The servant is not greater than his lord.

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[The Rogue Tomato]

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[bgwilkinson]

GREATSITE.COM looks like a great site for people who worship a translation.

Which translation would that be?

Does this list of Bibles on line show a bias toward only one translation?

You have Latin, English, German, Spanish, Greek and I'm sure there are several others too.

http://www.bibles-online.net/

 

[BALAAM]

Found quite a few websites that have a lot of the differences in the various kjv editions. I have been to quite a few and can't recall all of them but there are actual differences in the various editions. Nothing earth shattering or mind-boggling but differences nonetheless. I had been taught all of my life and at hac that any differences were merely spelling and punctuation and that is just not true.

My contention is this: If the translation was "inspired" then why would you need revisions at all? When you step away from extreme ifb'dom and look at it from a distance, there is a lot that doesn't make sense.

 

[qwerty]

Found quite a few websites that have a lot of the differences in the various kjv editions. I have been to quite a few and can't recall all of them but there are actual differences in the various editions. Nothing earth shattering or mind-boggling but differences nonetheless. I had been taught all of my life and at hac that any differences were merely spelling and punctuation and that is just not true.

My contention is this: If the translation was "inspired" then why would you need revisions at all? When you step away from extreme ifb'dom and look at it from a distance, there is a lot that doesn't make sense.

Do not step out and do your own research. Don't listen to those compromisers! Let me turn on Dr. Hyles' radio broadcast, or give you a book to occupy your time from the short list of pre-approved books from Peddler's Way.

 

[Walt]

I have heard most of my adult life about revisions to the kjv of the bible being only spelling, grammar, and punctuation. I just read an article that said there have been over 100,000 changes since the original 1611 was published.

If there have been changes between the various revisions; does anyone know of a reliable source where these changes can be found? (or rather, founde)

I think 100,000 is high.

Updates between 1613 and 1639 corrected printers errors.  Two of the still living translators helped.

From 1727 to  1769 an update was made to correct some final printing errors: they also updated the spelling, standardized the use of italics, and added more cross-references and margin notes.

Someone laboriously counted all of the changes to the KJV.  Counting only those that affect sound (that is, not counting spelling changes like "sinne" to "sin", there were 1095 changes to the 791,328 words in the KJV.  The bulk of the 1095 changes were form changes ("toward" instead of "towards", "burnt" to "burned", and so forth.  After putting form changes aside, there were only 136 changes.

 

[Walt]

Found quite a few websites that have a lot of the differences in the various kjv editions. I have been to quite a few and can't recall all of them but there are actual differences in the various editions. Nothing earth shattering or mind-boggling but differences nonetheless. I had been taught all of my life and at hac that any differences were merely spelling and punctuation and that is just not true.

My contention is this: If the translation was "inspired" then why would you need revisions at all? When you step away from extreme ifb'dom and look at it from a distance, there is a lot that doesn't make sense.

Exactly!  If the KJV were inspired like Bob Gray Sr (TX),  Gail Riplinger, and others claim, it should have been perfect the first time and needed no revision.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Found quite a few websites that have a lot of the differences in the various kjv editions. I have been to quite a few and can't recall all of them but there are actual differences in the various editions. Nothing earth shattering or mind-boggling but differences nonetheless. I had been taught all of my life and at hac that any differences were merely spelling and punctuation and that is just not true.

My contention is this: If the translation was "inspired" then why would you need revisions at all? When you step away from extreme ifb'dom and look at it from a distance, there is a lot that doesn't make sense.

Exactly!  If the KJV were inspired like Bob Gray Sr (TX),  Gail Riplinger, and others claim, it should have been perfect the first time and needed no revision.

Exactly.

All 80 books just as translated.

Don't forget dropping 14 of the 80 books represents a boatload of changes.

 

[Izdaari]

The KJV was one of the best (almost as good as the Geneva) when it first came out, but that was 405 years ago. Scholarship has advanced, older manuscripts have been found, and the English language has evolved. Now it's just adequate, for those who are able to understand it(mostly just English majors and those who were raised on it).  Nearly every legitimate modern translation is better. But I do prefer it for Psalms. For that, it just flows better.