LGBTQ People - We Don’t Want Your Business

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I “work for the man,” so I can’t say I can truly empathize with some of the Christian business owners who feel a spiritual conflict between their faith and their occupation. However, if I did own a business, I feel my approach would be the same as my uncle and aunt who own a very successful florist business. A couple years ago my uncle said something to the effect of, “Gay people use green money just like straight people. As long as they’re using the same color money, I’ll take it.”

Now, all that being said, there may be some occupations where I wouldn’t feel comfortable. For example, if I were a pastor, I would not be okay having to perform same-sex marriages in church, but if a gay person wants to buy flowers or candy or a cake, whatever, just make sure your money is green!
 
What if a Muslim grocer did not want to sell to a Christian?
 
If it's a privately owned business, they can do business with whomever they choose. I would say the same for a business not owned by a non-believer.

I guess if you are a believer and own a business that does business with other sinners is acceptable since it's not necessarily a "public" sin.
 
HukNduck said:
However, if I did own a business, I feel my approach would be the same as my uncle and aunt who own a very successful florist business. A couple years ago my uncle said something to the effect of, “Gay people use green money just like straight people. As long as they’re using the same color money, I’ll take it.”
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In any of the high-profile cases, the issue was never merely selling merchandise to gays. I think all of them, at one point, said gay people were perfectly welcome in their stores to buy goods "off the rack."

The issue was freedom of expression--that on First Amendment grounds, businesses cannot be compelled to produce custom-made merchandise or services that go against their conscience, such as cakes or floral arrangements for same-sex "weddings," T-shirts for so-called Pride Month, and the like. The owners of the businesses do not want their names associated with statements or causes they don't support.

It seems to me that the difference between that and the case in the OP, is that hairstyling isn't an expressive art. About the best you can do in terms of messaging is dye your hair in the colours of a pride flag, or something. And so the refusal of the salon to do business with transgender people isn't really on free-speech grounds. It's more like good old-fashioned discrimination. If it goes to court, I don't think it will fly.
 
Ransom said:
In any of the high-profile cases, the issue was never merely selling merchandise to gays. I think all of them, at one point, said gay people were perfectly welcome in their stores to buy goods "off the rack."

The issue was freedom of expression--that on First Amendment grounds, businesses cannot be compelled to produce custom-made merchandise or services that go against their conscience, such as cakes or floral arrangements for same-sex "weddings," T-shirts for so-called Pride Month, and the like. The owners of the businesses do not want their names associated with statements or causes they don't support.

It seems to me that the difference between that and the case in the OP, is that hairstyling isn't an expressive art. About the best you can do in terms of messaging is dye your hair in the colours of a pride flag, or something. And so the refusal of the salon to do business with transgender people isn't really on free-speech grounds. It's more like good old-fashioned discrimination. If it goes to court, I don't think it will fly.
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These cases really goes back to the days of segregation and a store owner’s right of refusal for service. Yes, one issue was based on race and today’s is based on “spiritual conscience” or sometimes just plain ol’ politics, but ultimately, in my opinion, it boils down to the right of refusal for service and private property vs public.
 
ALAYMAN said:
What if a Muslim grocer did not want to sell to a Christian?
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If I’m going to be a purist on this issue, then the Muslim grocer can refuse service just like the Christian grocer can refuse. If the business is completely private and not receiving any type of public funding (that includes Covid funding), then it’s difficult to split hairs here.
 
I completely agree with this policy of refusal for any reason—but at the same time, people can’t start crying if the woke mob comes after them and they get “cancelled” right out of business, and the same is true when conservatives boycott.
 
Ransom said:
In any of the high-profile cases, the issue was never merely selling merchandise to gays. I think all of them, at one point, said gay people were perfectly welcome in their stores to buy goods "off the rack."

The issue was freedom of expression--that on First Amendment grounds, businesses cannot be compelled to produce custom-made merchandise or services that go against their conscience, such as cakes or floral arrangements for same-sex "weddings," T-shirts for so-called Pride Month, and the like. The owners of the businesses do not want their names associated with statements or causes they don't support.

It seems to me that the difference between that and the case in the OP, is that hairstyling isn't an expressive art. About the best you can do in terms of messaging is dye your hair in the colours of a pride flag, or something. And so the refusal of the salon to do business with transgender people isn't really on free-speech grounds. It's more like good old-fashioned discrimination. If it goes to court, I don't think it will fly.
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I think the shop owners have an agenda, and it's to give the Dems ammo for their seditious rhetoric.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
What part of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" don't you understand?
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I understand the statement just fine. The limit is that the law doesn’t recognize that as a legitimate “right”.
 
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