Lions were designed to kill

False, then sin entered into the world and the lions became hunters.
 
Is this before or after they went to Detroit?
 
4everfsu said:
False, then sin entered into the world and the lions became hunters.
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SaviorSelf said:
5 inch fangs were designed to maim and mangle, not munch on grass. ;)
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Do you have a theory as to how lions, if created before sin came into the world, were killers?
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Yes.  The death that came to Adam was something more than simply physical death.

We do know that lions, in the future, will not be killers. Will they lose their fangs?

...The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them. (Isaiah 11:6)
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Or this is poetic language?

Or are fangs also helpful for tearing into vegetation? Why just meat?
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Not really and their design.
 
SaviorSelf said:
5 inch fangs were designed to maim and mangle, not munch on grass. ;)
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Let's see, God created the animals, then man, and sin entered into this world by means of a serpent. The most beautiful creature in the garden of Eden. After sin, God commanded the serpent who must have been a walking or flying or maybe combination of the two for its curse to crawl on its belly all the days of its life. So God who created the serpent and then made it to crawl could also make tigers little one inch fangs to grow into 5 inchers.

Ok waiting for your fairy tale dust theory.
 
Woman's body was changed to produce children - pretty drastic.  We would assume men's body changed also.
Death came - pretty drastic.
The serpent lost it's legs - pretty drastic.
Weeds, thorns and trouble in raising crops were introduced - pretty drastic.

If God made everything and all that therein is in 6 days, he could make a few modifications as a result of the curse of sin whenever He wanted.  Drastic change?  Yep.  So were the stated others.
 
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rsc2a said:
Yes.  The death that came to Adam was something more than simply physical death.
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Since it also involved/s physical death, let's not get distracted by every thing ancillary to the main point.
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Of mankind. It doesn't say anything about about the death of other parts of creation.

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Or this is poetic language
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Why would a particular style of writing necessarily negate the literalness of events? Since the Kingdom, which this is talking about, is noted by nonviolence throughout Scripture, whether it is poetry or narrative, I am quite sure I do not need to exhaust all of the reasons why lions will not be killing lambs and children.[/quote]

Did you just ask why recognizing that something was written as metaphor would negate the need to read it as something other than metaphor?

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Or are fangs also helpful for tearing into vegetation? Why just meat?
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So, the existence of fangs means that it is only capable of eating meat to sustain life and that is the only reason for the fangs?
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You can drive a nail with a screwdriver. That doesn't mean the screwdriver is the proper tool to drive nails with. :)
 
Yes, God designed lions as very efficient predators and an important part of the African ecosystem.

Don't get all theological on me. They are what they are. Possibly they did something else before the Fall, and could do something else after God remakes the world, but only God knows what and how (I mean that literally).
 
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rsc2a said:
Of mankind. It doesn't say anything about about the death of other parts of creation.
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Sure it does. Even in the story of Adam and Eve a sheep, for the first time, is slaughtered before their eyes to provide them clothing. They had never seen death before.
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You still haven't shown where it says anything about the death of other parts of creation. In fact, I would argue that they clearly had seen death. Secondly, they had never seen the shalom order violated prior to that, and I would say God killing something else as a result of their failure is a pretty clear violation of that order, especially since they were supposed to be stewards of that creation.

[quote author=admin]Romans 8:22 tells us that ALL of creation suffers the pains of sin brought into our world. That would include death.[/quote]

Begging the question.

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Did you just ask why recognizing that something was written as metaphor would negate the need to read it as something other than metaphor?
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Do you deny the existence of lions, snakes, lambs and children during the Kingdom age?[/quote]

Why would I deny their existence? Of course, I don't deny the idea that we will eat meat during the Kingdom age, so it's kind of a moot point. The God-man who is/was Kingdom-living incarnate (literally!) didn't seem to have much of a problem eating meat, even post-Resurrection. You have to address that if you want to convince me about your point.

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You can drive a nail with a screwdriver. That doesn't mean the screwdriver is the proper tool to drive nails with. :)
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As it has been mentioned above, God certainly could have mutated the canines. OR, since we have animals with fangs who are only vegetarians, this is hardly convincing.[/quote]

The exception clearly proves the rule in this case.
 
There is a really simple answer. A clear answer.

Creation was designed in anticipation of the fall. God didn't just fix/change things as they happened.

Women's body was not changed to enable child bearing. She was created that way. Lions were designed to eat flesh. So were leopards. Now, things WILL CHANGE in the future.



 
Changes could be a result of a loss of genetic information from the original "kind" of animal. Not that this promotes evolution, but deep down inside us is a genetic code and the Bible says THE WHOLE CREATION has been groaning ... up to the present time.

Romans 8:22
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

This said, perhaps God allowed plants to be poisonous and Lions to eat flesh as an advancement of the curse. He is in control and clearly he could modify this earth. I am sure after the flood many things changed - the Earth was radically changed.
 
Everythings cool right now, I just heard a song that lets me know ...the Lion sleeps tonight!  8)
 
admin said:
Since death of ALL CREATION is the result of sin... that is the evolutionist's pesky problem.
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Does Scripture say that?

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men...

For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive...

And still: The God-man who is/was Kingdom-living incarnate (literally!) didn't seem to have much of a problem eating meat, even post-Resurrection. You have to address that if you want to convince me about your point. (I haven't even mentioned all the plants that die when you eat them...)
 
admin said:
Full of wrong information and meanings. I can read Genesis 1 in Hebrew and this is just rehashed stuff. I can go through this, but not until I get to my computer.

What, in particular, would you like to address in this?
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Glad you can read it in Hebrew.

I'm not ad interested in your take on the "rehashed" stuff (I.e. where was the light coming from without the sun), but rather a response to the other examples of plain statements from the Bible about the physical world that most YEC dismiss somehow, while still claiming to read the text literally (eg, solid dome for a sky, water above the sky, disc shaped flat earth, geocentricism). If you're willing, I'd be interested to hear how you distinguish verses that support such a view from those that cause you to believe in a young earth.
 
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The word chug ( חוּג) translated "circle," in Isaiah refers to the "horizon." Also, it should be noted that Biblical Hebrew does not have another word for the 3D shape "sphere."
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So you'll just dodge then? That's cool, I didn't really expect a real response
 
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