Matthew 13:24....the world, or the church?

[The Rogue Tomato]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

 

[Recovering IFB]

Why is this thread continuing? Jesus answers the question in vs.  38 The field is the world and the good seed are the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm really not sure what your point here is in this conversation. First, you start off trying to prove your point by appealing to Barnes. Then, when other commentaries disagree, you say it "isn't about counting noses of commentators", and then shortly after that you begin quoting other commentators. Are you trying to count noses or are you not?

The point of showing Barnes and Calvin wasn't to "count noses" but rather demonstrate that capable scholars offer a counter-perspective to the interpretation of the parable.  And that was done to show that, as is often the case in many long standing theological issues, there are legitimate textual and intellectual reasons for disagreements.  My intent in starting this thread, contrary to the claims of Ransom and others, was to stimulate conversation and see if each perspective would present their reason for their respective belief.  Despite my intentions to stir up theological conversation about the interpretation of the Bible, the first (and most) of the responses have been personal attacks and shallow one-liners (like your "retarded") one.  I wonder if those same people who argue in favor of the simple understanding of "the world" would also argue for the basic literal meaning here....

Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Matter of fact, I'm 100% rsc2a, one who is advocating for the simple meaning in this very thread, uses the Jn 6:56 verse to demonstrate that the hermeneutical apparatus sometimes demands that "the simple answer" ain't as simple as it seems.

 

[ALAYMAN]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

ROFLOL!  I'm shocked it took this long for your one-trick pony to appear!

 

[Recovering IFB]

Despite my intentions to stir up theological conversation about the interpretation of the Bible, the first (and most) of the responses have been personal attacks and shallow one-liners (like your "retarded") one.

you start off by saying this. then in the very next post you say this:

ROFLOL!  I'm shocked it took this long for your one-trick pony to appear!

 

[Mathew Ward]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

 

[rsc2a]

I'm really not sure what your point here is in this conversation. First, you start off trying to prove your point by appealing to Barnes. Then, when other commentaries disagree, you say it "isn't about counting noses of commentators", and then shortly after that you begin quoting other commentators. Are you trying to count noses or are you not?

The point of showing Barnes and Calvin wasn't to "count noses" but rather demonstrate that capable scholars offer a counter-perspective to the interpretation of the parable.  And that was done to show that, as is often the case in many long standing theological issues, there are legitimate textual and intellectual reasons for disagreements.  My intent in starting this thread, contrary to the claims of Ransom and others, was to stimulate conversation and see if each perspective would present their reason for their respective belief.  Despite my intentions to stir up theological conversation about the interpretation of the Bible, the first (and most) of the responses have been personal attacks and shallow one-liners (like your "retarded") one.  I wonder if those same people who argue in favor of the simple understanding of "the world" would also argue for the basic literal meaning here....

Joh 6:55  For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Matter of fact, I'm 100% rsc2a, one who is advocating for the simple meaning in this very thread, uses the Jn 6:56 verse to demonstrate that the hermeneutical apparatus sometimes demands that "the simple answer" ain't as simple as it seems.

People asked Jesus what He meant.  He already interpreted it.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Why is this thread continuing? Jesus answers the question in vs.  38 The field is the world and the good seed are the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,
Why is this so hard to comprehend?

It's not hard to comprehend.  It's just that some people are smarter than God.  So they're explaining, "I know what Jesus said, but this is what Jesus meant to say."

 

[Mathew Ward]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

I wear clothes on Sunday (everyday really).

Are you looking for the style of clothes I wear?

Right now I'm wearing shorts, a polo shirt and Sperry shoes with no socks.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

I wear clothes on Sunday (everyday really).

Are you looking for the style of clothes I wear?

Right now I'm wearing shorts, a polo shirt and Sperry shoes with no socks.

Why would I be looking for the style of clothes you wear? 

Are you as dense a dimbulb as you appear? 

 

[Mathew Ward]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

I wear clothes on Sunday (everyday really).

Are you looking for the style of clothes I wear?

Right now I'm wearing shorts, a polo shirt and Sperry shoes with no socks.

Why would I be looking for the style of clothes you wear? 

Are you as dense a dimbulb as you appear?

You asked the question. I took the time to answer it.

Now if you want to connect the dots, go for it.

But if you cannot connect the dots from the topic at hand to the question I asked, I will be more than happy to help you connect them.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

I wear clothes on Sunday (everyday really).

Are you looking for the style of clothes I wear?

Right now I'm wearing shorts, a polo shirt and Sperry shoes with no socks.

Why would I be looking for the style of clothes you wear? 

Are you as dense a dimbulb as you appear?

You asked the question. I took the time to answer it.

Now if you want to connect the dots, go for it.

But if you cannot connect the dots from the topic at hand to the question I asked, I will be more than happy to help you connect them.

Do the people you teach know you're this dense? 

 

[Bob H]

I'm really not sure what your point here is in this conversation.

Same here with you

First, you start off trying to prove your point by appealing to Barnes.

Unless I missed it {which I don't think I did} Al never gave his personal opinion on who the "world" is in this thread. Neither did I but got accused of it.  He just asked a question in the OP {in which some differ, even commentators}. That's what we do here. It happens all the time. I'll tell you like it goes. If your here long enough some will not like you. It happens. You'll ask a question and you'll get  smart a _ _............lec answer deriding you with a couple of jabs. Some can't help it. That's what they do {There's tares here to }. Then the fight is on. Thus why the first "F" in the FFF stands for fighting.

 

[Mathew Ward]

So how do you know all the folks that gather together with you are all called out?

What does this have to do with anything?  I don't know. 

There's the church, which refers to what people call the church universal (which is actually redundant), that is, the body of Christ.  And then there's a local assembly, which may or may not be entirely populated with members of the body of Christ. 

When Paul addressed the called out at {location}, his message was for the called out at {location}.  No doubt the message fell on the ears of those who were not among the called out.  But to that, I say, so what? 

You have shown a pattern of avoiding the issues by asking a bunch of irrelevant questions.  I'm not going to bite anymore this time, so if your questions are met with silence, you know why.

What issues have I avoided?

Are you a pastor?

I'm an associate pastor.

So is that the issue I have avoided, if I am a pastor?

What do you wear on Sundays?

I wear clothes on Sunday (everyday really).

Are you looking for the style of clothes I wear?

Right now I'm wearing shorts, a polo shirt and Sperry shoes with no socks.

Why would I be looking for the style of clothes you wear? 

Are you as dense a dimbulb as you appear?

You asked the question. I took the time to answer it.

Now if you want to connect the dots, go for it.

But if you cannot connect the dots from the topic at hand to the question I asked, I will be more than happy to help you connect them.

Do the people you teach know you're this dense?

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

Are you saying Jesus is slow, since you disagree with him? 

 

[Mathew Ward]

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

Are you saying Jesus is slow, since you disagree with him?

When did i disagree with Jesus? Or are you just reading into my position and making up your mind what I believe on this topic? It does make for a good strawman for you to take down though.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

Are you saying Jesus is slow, since you disagree with him?

When did i disagree with Jesus? Or are you just reading into my position and making up your mind what I believe on this topic? It does make for a good strawman for you to take down though.

Do you believe the field is the world, not the church? 

 

[Mathew Ward]

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

Are you saying Jesus is slow, since you disagree with him?

When did i disagree with Jesus? Or are you just reading into my position and making up your mind what I believe on this topic? It does make for a good strawman for you to take down though.

Do you believe the field is the world, not the church?

Shouldn't you ask this question before claiming I was disagreeing with Jesus?

If you jumped to a conclusion on my position should you not at least acknowledge that faux pas on your part?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

They do know that I take time to deal with some slow folks on the internet, like I am doing now. 

Are you saying Jesus is slow, since you disagree with him?

When did i disagree with Jesus? Or are you just reading into my position and making up your mind what I believe on this topic? It does make for a good strawman for you to take down though.

Do you believe the field is the world, not the church?

Shouldn't you ask this question before claiming I was disagreeing with Jesus?

If you jumped to a conclusion on my position should you not at least acknowledge that faux pas on your part?

Does it normally take you this many posts and you still don't know what's going on?