Matthew 13:24....the world, or the church?

[ALAYMAN]

Jonathan Edwards, considered by many the most intelligent mind America has ever produced, the greatest theologian and philosopher of the modern age.....




For (1.) the parable shows plainly, that if any are introduced into the field of the householder, or church of Christ, who prove to be not wheat, (i. e. not true saints,) they are brought in unawares, or contrary to design. If tares are as properly to be sown in the field, as is the wheat, which must be the case if the Lord’s supper be a converting ordinance; then surely no care ought to be taken to introduce wheat only, and no respect ought to be had more to the qualities of wheat in sowing the field, than the qualities of tares; nor is there any more impropriety in the tares having a place there, than the wheat. But this surely is altogether inconsistent with the scope of the parable.

(2.) This parable plainly shows, that those who are in the visible church, have at first a visibility, or appearance to human sight of true grace, or of the nature of true saints. For it is observed, tares have this property, that when they first appear, and till the products of the field arrive to some maturity, they have such a resemblance of wheat, that it is next to impossible to distinguish them.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

if any are introduced into the field of the householder, or church of Christ, who prove to be not wheat, (i. e. not true saints,) they are brought in unawares, or contrary to design.

Oh my stars and garters.  He said what I said, even though I disagree that it has anything to do with the parable. 

 

[Ransom]

Jonathan Edwards, considered by many the most intelligent mind America has ever produced, the greatest theologian and philosopher of the modern age.....

I love watching ALAYTROLL argue for Calvinist infallibility.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Jonathan Edwards, considered by many the most intelligent mind America has ever produced, the greatest theologian and philosopher of the modern age.....

I love watching ALAYTROLL argue for Calvinist infallibility.

There's MANY more notables where that came from, on both sides of that aisle.  You're just too punkishly proud to concede any ground, regardless of soteriological disposition, and you'd rather play the ad hominem game.  You have a long history proving that.

Wonder when RecoveringIFB will break out his finger wagging against your preciousness?  Nahhh, wrong ox to gore.

 

[Ransom]

You're just too punkishly proud to concede any ground, regardless of soteriological disposition, and you'd rather play the ad hominem game.  You have a long history proving that.

And in the face of the words of the Lord Jesus in God-breathed Scripture, you're just doggedly stubborn.

Poor Jesus. Too bad no one told him there were "many more notables" that he should have considered before dogmatizing on the interpretation of that parable. Maybe he'd have been less punkish.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

You're just too punkishly proud to concede any ground, regardless of soteriological disposition, and you'd rather play the ad hominem game.  You have a long history proving that.

And in the face of the words of the Lord Jesus in God-breathed Scripture, you're just doggedly stubborn.

Poor Jesus. Too bad no one told him there were "many more notables" that he should have considered before dogmatizing on the interpretation of that parable. Maybe he'd have been less punkish.

Maybe if Jesus got his parable interpretations published on Google Books some people would pay more attention to what he said. 

 

[subllibrm]

Now it is becoming clear why mater needs a home church. He gets to use his taredar to make sure only the "ecclesia" get in. No tares at his kitchen table.

That's actually what the assembly is supposed to be, although it's impossible to enforce perfectly because we can't see into the minds of men.  But if you know your assembly is 15%-60% unbelievers, and you're comfy with that, that should be a clear indication that your assembly is a failure.

The weird thing is that you think you "know" that about my brethren. You run you taredar past my IP address or something?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Now it is becoming clear why mater needs a home church. He gets to use his taredar to make sure only the "ecclesia" get in. No tares at his kitchen table.

That's actually what the assembly is supposed to be, although it's impossible to enforce perfectly because we can't see into the minds of men.  But if you know your assembly is 15%-60% unbelievers, and you're comfy with that, that should be a clear indication that your assembly is a failure.

The weird thing is that you think you "know" that about my brethren. You run you taredar past my IP address or something?

Those numbers aren't mine.  Quite a while back, I asked people what percentage of their "church goers" they think are unbelievers.  The responses ranged from 15% to 60%.  Although I find those numbers quite credible, you'll have to ask them about their taredar. 

 

[Recovering IFB]

Jonathan Edwards, considered by many the most intelligent mind America has ever produced, the greatest theologian and philosopher of the modern age.....

I love watching ALAYTROLL argue for Calvinist infallibility.

There's MANY more notables where that came from, on both sides of that aisle.  You're just too punkishly proud to concede any ground, regardless of soteriological disposition, and you'd rather play the ad hominem game.  You have a long history proving that.

Wonder when RecoveringIFB will break out his finger wagging against your preciousness?  Nahhh, wrong ox to gore.

Which finger you want me to use?

 

[ALAYMAN]

And in the face of the words of the Lord Jesus in God-breathed Scripture, you're just doggedly stubborn.

This is the second time in the last couple of weeks that I've had to correct your patently wrong statements.  I've told you that I tend to believe in the simple interpretation of Christ's words.  For the slow learners out there, I simply wanted to see both perspectives defended and promote discussion of the parable's controversy.

 

[Recovering IFB]

And in the face of the words of the Lord Jesus in God-breathed Scripture, you're just doggedly stubborn.

This is the second time in the last couple of weeks that I've had to correct your patently wrong statements.  I've told you that I tend to believe in the simple interpretation of Christ's words.  For the slow learners out there, I simply wanted to see both perspectives defended and promote discussion of the parable's controversy.

Sorry Chris, but I'm slow, can you repeat that one more time, but slower.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Sorry Chris, but I'm slow, can you repeat that one more time, but slower

Jeff, first the bong, now ludes and shrooms.  Dude, you've recovered a bit too much.