MTG A Newly Minted RINO?

Ransom said:
I admitted no such thing. Why must you lie about me all the time?
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At this point, I don’t even think @biscuit1953 is lying. I just think he literally can’t keep track of which person is saying what! It’s almost like he doesn’t know how to use a computer or maybe he needs new glasses! 😆
 
subllibrm said:
Actually I asked and no one answered the question busy as they were with other concerns. 😎
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So no one here called her a RINO but you’re arguing with yourself?
The notorious Christian Nationalists on your social media feeds?
Or, more likely, it’s just another way to beat the TDS drum.

Hallelujah!
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
In a nutshell, sort of. I don’t think all of his policies were bad. He had some accomplishments that are making his stock rise higher as time goes by. https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ji...able-achievements-things-you-may-not-know.amp I believe in the future he’ll be ranked ahead of Ronald Reagan.
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His term was a disaster and no, he will not be rated above Reagan….Iran hostage embarrassment vs fall of USSR alone seals that deal.

Other than that how’d you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
So no one here called her a RINO but you’re arguing with yourself?
The notorious Christian Nationalists on your social media feeds?
Or, more likely, it’s just another way to beat the TDS drum.

Hallelujah!
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I asked IF she is now a RINO. She can't be a legitimate republican if she doesn't bow down before Mr. Trump now can she? 😉

Mr. Reagan wouldn't pass muster as a republican in the GOP today. Which would by default make him a RINO.

I really wonder how Bob Dole would fare in the current GOP climate.
 
abcaines said:
I remember that day well. That was the day I knew Carter wasn't going to win in November.
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Since I was a newborn at the time, I’m curious to know what was the public reaction. Was it seen as a freak accident or was it seen as a Carter failure?
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
Since I was a newborn at the time, I’m curious to know what was the public reaction. Was it seen as a freak accident or was it seen as a Carter failure?
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He took the brunt but I thought it more of a military failure. Our armed forces had been neutered in many ways post Vietnam. The failure would likely have happened regardless of who occupied the Oval Office.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
Since I was a newborn at the time, I’m curious to know what was the public reaction. Was it seen as a freak accident or was it seen as a Carter failure?
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Remember how the debate debacle in '24 embarrassed the Biden administration? From my personal recollection, Operation Eagle Claw had similar fallout for the Carter administration.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
True, sadly eight soldiers died in a helicopter accident. I was specifically referring to the 52 hostages who survived.
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I simply wouldn't credit Carter for rescuing them, when the thing his presidency was most notorious for was failing to rescue them. That failure, probably more than anything else, cost him re-election.

Iran released the remaining hostages on Ronald Reagan's inauguration day. Either the Iranians were more afraid of what Reagan might do than they were of Carter, or they just wanted to rub Carter's nose in it.

DrHuk&Duck said:
Since I was a newborn at the time, I’m curious to know what was the public reaction. Was it seen as a freak accident or was it seen as a Carter failure?
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I was 9 at the time and this was literally the first international news story I was aware of. So my memory for details will naturally be a bit hazy. But it was widely criticized as Carter's failure, not merely a military accident.
 
Ransom said:
I simply wouldn't credit Carter for rescuing them, when the thing his presidency was most notorious for was failing to rescue them. That failure, probably more than anything else, cost him re-election.

Iran released the remaining hostages on Ronald Reagan's inauguration day. Either the Iranians were more afraid of what Reagan might do than they were of Carter, or they just wanted to rub Carter's nose in it.
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I’ve researched the subject and my understanding is that the hostages were released on Carter’s plane flight home. In fact, when he landed in Plains, Georgia, he was immediately informed that Iran had released the hostages. Make no doubt, Carter’s administration did the footwork to release them, but Iranian officials chose to not release them until minutes after Reagan took power. There’s been misinformation related to this for decades: https://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/rubio-cruz-on-reagan-and-hostages/
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
True, sadly eight soldiers died in a helicopter accident. I was specifically referring to the 52 hostages who survived.
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I remember specifically in the days immediately following the failed rescue attempt, everyone being on pins and needles wondering if Iran was going to start executing the hostages in retaliation.
 
Ransom said:
I simply wouldn't credit Carter for rescuing them, when the thing his presidency was most notorious for was failing to rescue them. That failure, probably more than anything else, cost him re-election.

Iran released the remaining hostages on Ronald Reagan's inauguration day. Either the Iranians were more afraid of what Reagan might do than they were of Carter, or they just wanted to rub Carter's nose in it.



I was 9 at the time and this was literally the first international news story I was aware of. So my memory for details will naturally be a bit hazy. But it was widely criticized as Carter's failure, not merely a military accident.
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You nailed it.
 
I can't remember if Reagan had secured the nomination by April of 1980 but once he did, the media began painting him as a warmonger, trying to convince the public that if he won the election he'd have us in a war with the USSR before the end of his first year in office. Iran was acutely aware of such propaganda that was supposed to cast Reagan in a bad light. But when it became a certainty that Reagan was going to win, the hostage negotiations finally started making progress. I remember clearly that the hostages walked out of the embassy a half hour after Reagan's inauguration.
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
I’ve researched the subject and my understanding is that the hostages were released on Carter’s plane flight home. In fact, when he landed in Plains, Georgia, he was immediately informed that Iran had released the hostages. Make no doubt, Carter’s administration did the footwork to release them, but Iranian officials chose to not release them until minutes after Reagan took power. There’s been misinformation related to this for decades: https://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/rubio-cruz-on-reagan-and-hostages/
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I have a hard time believing that Iran wanted to embarrass Carter by releasing the hostages the day Reagan was inaugurated. As per my previous post, the Democrats and media were trying to convince the public that Reagan was chomping at the bits to start WWIII. Iran has NEVER had any respect for any US administration; only reluctance to get into a war with whoever wasn't going to take any [guff] from them.

Remember, the media tends to go easy on deceased (or soon to be) presidents. Especially when said president aligned with their set of values.
 
I remember once upon a time that you could be a Republican and a Conservative while having disagreements with other Conservative Republicans. You did not have to be in "Lock-Step" with the "Republican Party Leader" or face possible castigation or execution! The Republican party NEEDS such who do not agree with all things "Trump" who will keep our President from literally driving the Republican Party straight off the cliff! The challenge is, however, in doing so without exposing "weakness" which the Democrat party will mercilessly exploit! If the Republican party implodes, there will be nothing left that will oppose the radicalized faction of the Democratic Party who have unfortunately become the mainstream! We are in deep trouble and I am fearful of what may be down the road after 2028!

MTG alway seemed to be somewhat of an unstable "Loon" or perhaps this is because of how the MSM has portrayed her? I dislike the Bush era "Globalist" Republicans and am happy that President Trump has pretty much made them irrelevant but I also strongly disagree with calling anyone a "RINO" simply because they disagree with President Trump on a particular matter.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
I remember once upon a time that you could be a Republican and a Conservative while having disagreements with other Conservative Republicans. You did not have to be in "Lock-Step" with the "Republican Party Leader" or face possible castigation or execution!
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I used to participate on a conservative political board. It was wild the way they would pivot on a dime from loving to hating some conservative pundit (Ann Coulter especially) based on whether they were praising or criticizing Trump at any given moment. (Used to post things like "Oh, are we liking Coulter today?" but never seemed to get a rise out of anyone, unfortunately.)

I finally gave up on the whole thing. It was too much of a cult of personality. Disagreeing with Trump on some particular issue--when he's not exactly a dyed-in-the-wool conservative himself--was getting a bit insufferable as a purity test.
 
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