NC has universal school choice law.

[Tarheel Baptist]

Does your state?

North Carolina Passes School Choice

On September 22, North Carolina passed a universal school choice bill that allows all children in the state to access the program.

spn.org

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

Florida. In theory it sounds great, but in reality, the private schools have just jacked up the tuition costs and then the most exclusive schools have just refused to take the state money. For example, I know of reasonably priced private school that used to charge about $8,000 a year tuition before the state started offering everyone tuition vouchers in about that same amount. Guess what, that same private school is now charging $16,000 a year in tuition, so they’re still forcing parents to cough up about $8,000 per year, but pocketing the additional $8,000 from the state. And in Florida, everyone gets that same $8,000 voucher, whether you have the income of a janitor or the income of a brain surgeon. Flimflam!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Florida. In theory it sounds great, but in reality, the private schools have just jacked up the tuition costs and then the most exclusive schools have just refused to take the state money. For example, I know of reasonably priced private school that used to charge about $8,000 a year tuition before the state started offering everyone tuition vouchers in about that same amount. Guess what, that same private school is now charging $16,000 a year in tuition, so they’re still forcing parents to cough up about $8,000 per year, but pocketing the additional $8,000 from the state. And in Florida, everyone gets that same $8,000 voucher, whether you have the income of a janitor or the income of a brain surgeon. Flimflam!

It appears to me you know as much about this issue as you did on Catholic doctrine.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

It appears to me you know as much about this issue as you did on Catholic doctrine.

LOL. Please tell me how my personal knowledge (including the tuition at my daughter’s and niece’s schools) of this issue is incorrect. (Waits patiently for Tarfart Baptist to explain my own bank account details from several states away).

A Florida school raised tuition because of vouchers. Will more follow?

A roundup of Florida education news from around the state

www.tampabay.com

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

LOL. Please tell me how my personal knowledge (including the tuition at my daughter’s and niece’s schools) of this issue is incorrect. (Waits patiently for Tarfart Baptist to explain my own bank account details from several states away).

A Florida school raised tuition because of vouchers. Will more follow?

A roundup of Florida education news from around the state

www.tampabay.com

I know it’s hard for you to believe but you’re not the only person paying private school tuition. One school raising tuition does not an argument make.

For 2 decades I paid taxes, funding public schools plus private school tuition. Now my cost for tuition is almost half. Not a flimflam by any definition. This is a fast growing trend and gives parents more of a choice as to their children’s education.

And if you want to exchange links:

Florida Sets Shining Example on School Choice. Here’s How

Florida has long been a pioneer in ensuring that families can choose the learning environments that align with their values and work best for their children. Now its lawmakers have cemented the state’s status as a national leader in education freedom and choice. Last week, the Florida Senate...

www.heritage.org

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

I know it’s hard for you to believe but you’re not the only person paying private school tuition. One school raising tuition does not an argument make.

For 2 decades I paid taxes, funding public schools plus private school tuition. Now my cost for tuition is almost half. Not a flimflam by any definition. This is a fast growing trend and gives parents more of a choice as to their children’s education.

And if you want to exchange links:

Florida Sets Shining Example on School Choice. Here’s How

Florida has long been a pioneer in ensuring that families can choose the learning environments that align with their values and work best for their children. Now its lawmakers have cemented the state’s status as a national leader in education freedom and choice. Last week, the Florida Senate...

www.heritage.org

You are the king of non sequitur. Don’t sit behind your giant desktop up north and preach to me about what’s happening in my own state and in my own bank account. And if you’re going to send a link as proof of evidence, do so after the law has had a chance to actually take effect. And The Heritage is about as biased for guys like DeSantis as MSNBC is for guys like Biden. For example, I’m betting that The Heritage won’t report that Florida ranks 50th in teacher salaries. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...-for-second-year-in-row-nea-says/83341833007/

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

You are the king of non sequitur. Don’t sit behind your giant desktop up north and preach to me about what’s happening in my own state and in my own bank account. And if you’re going to send a link as proof of evidence, do so after the law has had a chance to actually take effect. And The Heritage is about as biased for guys like DeSantis as MSNBC is for guys like Biden. For example, I’m betting that The Heritage won’t report that Florida ranks 50th in teacher salaries. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/n...-for-second-year-in-row-nea-says/83341833007/

I don’t care about Florida teacher salaries.
I don’t care if A school increased tuition.
I don’t care about what you pay for school tuition or what’s left in your bank account.
I talking about the spreading policy that allows tax paying citizens to use their school allotment to chose which school their kids attend.
Try to keep up.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

I don’t care about Florida teacher salaries.
I don’t care if A school increased tuition.
I don’t care about what you pay for school tuition or what’s left in your bank account.
I talking about the spreading policy that allows tax paying citizens to use their school allotment to chose which school their kids attend.
Try to keep up.

Flimflam! You don’t seem to understand that the policy itself is responsible for all of the problems you just described. That’s okay, post an update on this a few years from now and let me know how that new policy is actually working. It’s about as effective as “the Green New Deal”!

 

[Baptist Renegade]

Does your state?

North Carolina Passes School Choice

On September 22, North Carolina passed a universal school choice bill that allows all children in the state to access the program.

spn.org

Texas has passed a "School Choice" bill as well. Our church is looking into something that would keep the per-student cost as close as possible to what they would be receiving from the vouchers and I believe this should be the intention. Public schools are becoming increasingly hostile towards the Christian worldview and are simply not an option anymore. I completely lose count of the number of teachers I know and have talked to who are extremely frustrated and either wanting out or have already made their exit from teaching in public schools. I can say emphatically that pay is not the primary issue here!

I really have not seen the IFB style "Christian Acadamies" here in Texas the way they were in pretty much every IFB Church out in California. There are many private "Christian" schools but they cater to the elite "Blue Bloods" who can afford to pay $1500-$2000 per month and their end-goal is not to raise children in the fear of the Lord but to prepare kids for entrance into the elite colleges and universities.

I can appreciate Huk's comments and yes, these "elite" schools will likely raise their tuitions accordingly but this is really not where you would want to send your kids anyway. I could go down an endless rabbit trail regarding "poor kids" going to a "rich kids" school and I have purposely kept my kids (and will keep my grandkids) from such a place! They will likely raise their tuitions to keep the "riff-raff" out if anything else.

I think I would like to reach out to some of these IFB Schools in order to get a better look at their business model. I think that "Closed Enrollment" is key here - enrollment restricted to church members in good standing. Our elders are currently examining the legalities but I would love to get some input and discussion among others who have experience in this area.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

I can appreciate Huk's comments and yes, these "elite" schools will likely raise their tuitions accordingly but this is really not where you would want to send your kids anyway. I could go down an endless rabbit trail regarding "poor kids" going to a "rich kids" school and I have purposely kept my kids (and will keep my grandkids) from such a place! They will likely raise their tuitions to keep the "riff-raff" out if anything else.

Exactly. The good intentions are often present in these bills that get signed into law, but the reality of the bill often is very different than intended.

I’ll give another example. A few years ago a bill was passed and signed into law regarding school start times in Florida. Without getting into the thick weeds of the details, the governor ended up repealing his own law because he and the Florida Congress didn’t do due diligence in researching the ramifications of the law and understanding that it was completely infeasible, and that not only would it not save money, it was going to actually cause school districts to lose money! https://floridapolitics.com/archive...ext=SB 296 will repeal a,two-year-old measure.

So, I’ll just end by saying that the good intentions behind this law in North Carolina will ultimately cause a plethora of other unexpected problems. Tarheel will understand this a few years down the road. Often when the government gets involved in “solving” problems, it just ends up creating more problems—especially when they’re playing with taxpayer money.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Flimflam! You don’t seem to understand that the policy itself is responsible for all of the problems you just described. That’s okay, post an update on this a few years from now and let me know how that new policy is actually working. It’s about as effective as “the Green New Deal”!

No! They’re not.
Public school failures are one of the driving forces behind the growth of such policies.
The oldest such law is in Minnesota and has been expanded a few times…as has the NC law. The people who scream against such are the same people who masked us into oblivion during Covid…Publik Skool advocates.

The Public Has Spoken: School Choice Is the Future - OAK - Opportunity for All Kids

Simply put, the education system as we know it has collapsed into a dysfunctional mess. If there’s any doubt about that, consider the following 2024 statewide assessments by the Minnesota Department of Education: There are roughly 870,000 students in Minnesota’s public school system. 435,000...

oakmn.org

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

No! They’re not.
Public school failures are one of the driving forces behind the growth of such policies.
The oldest such law is in Minnesota and has been expanded a few times…as has the NC law. The people who scream against such are the same people who masked us into oblivion during Covid…Publik Skool advocates.

The Public Has Spoken: School Choice Is the Future - OAK - Opportunity for All Kids

Simply put, the education system as we know it has collapsed into a dysfunctional mess. If there’s any doubt about that, consider the following 2024 statewide assessments by the Minnesota Department of Education: There are roughly 870,000 students in Minnesota’s public school system. 435,000...

oakmn.org

Bless your heart. Did you just use Minnesota as an example of government efficiency? Tell Governor Tim Walz hello for me.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Bless your heart. Did you just use Minnesota as an example of government efficiency? Tell Governor Tim Walz hello for me.

You know we’re talking about their school choice program…which Waltz has voiced opposition to…

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

You know we’re talking about their school choice program…which Waltz has voiced opposition to…

Sure, but you can just list Minnesota as a synonym for California. Anyway, since this whole thing started by you bragging about the state you don’t even live in, let’s take a look at what the actual governor of North Carolina says (emphasis on Fact #5): https://governor.nc.gov/private-school-vouchers-fact-sheet/open

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Sure, but you can just list Minnesota as a synonym for California. Anyway, since this whole thing started by you bragging about the state you don’t even live in, let’s take a look at what the actual governor of North Carolina says (emphasis on Fact #5): https://governor.nc.gov/private-school-vouchers-fact-sheet/open

Of course our governor, a Democrat beholden to teachers unions, is against it. Liberal Democrats hate school choice. Progressives love dumbing down education almost as much as they love killing babies.
This started by your pointing out ‘A’ private school who increased tuition in Florida.
‘A’ school does not a consensus make.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

Of course our governor, a Democrat beholden to teachers unions, is against it. Liberal Democrats hate school choice. Progressives love dumbing down education almost as much as they love killing babies.
This started by your pointing out ‘A’ private school who increased tuition in Florida.
‘A’ school does not a consensus make.

I’m just pointing out that “your governor” doesn’t even support this legislation. Oh, and how’d you jump from a conversation about school vouchers to “killing babies”? I mentioned several days ago that you’re King NON SEQUITUR. You just proved my point—again.

 

[sword]

Florida. In theory it sounds great, but in reality, the private schools have just jacked up the tuition costs and then the most exclusive schools have just refused to take the state money. For example, I know of reasonably priced private school that used to charge about $8,000 a year tuition before the state started offering everyone tuition vouchers in about that same amount. Guess what, that same private school is now charging $16,000 a year in tuition, so they’re still forcing parents to cough up about $8,000 per year, but pocketing the additional $8,000 from the state. And in Florida, everyone gets that same $8,000 voucher, whether you have the income of a janitor or the income of a brain surgeon. Flimflam!

open the opportunity for others to open private schools that have not jacked up their prices. If they risd prices a little to allow their staff to be paid a living wage then this is only right. Most private schools are not making bank. many have staff with 4 years degrees living in poverty or just above collecting government health assistance.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I’m just pointing out that “your governor” doesn’t even support this legislation. Oh, and how’d you jump from a conversation about school vouchers to “killing babies”? I mentioned several days ago that you’re King NON SEQUITUR. You just proved my point—again.

You are the one here who talks about everything but the topic at hand. Because you’re on the wrong side of the argument and have no ammo with which to defend your position.

School choice helps parents have more influence on their child’s education. School vouchers are here to stay because unlike you, most actually understand what they are.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

OK, so when the Wiccan School for The LGBTQ Children one day opens in your city, don’t either of you dare come on this forum and complain that your hard earned American taxpayer money shouldn’t be used to subsidize children getting vouchers for free tuition at their school. I guess maybe then you’ll understand the wisdom of Dr. Huk and beg for his forgiveness.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

OK, so when the Wiccan School for The LGBTQ Children one day opens in your city, don’t either of you dare come on this forum and complain that your hard earned American taxpayer money shouldn’t be used to subsidize children getting vouchers for free tuition at their school. I guess maybe then you’ll understand the wisdom of Dr. Huk and beg for his forgiveness.

Is that Wiccan school next door to the school that increased tuition?
Yet I pay for gubmit schools that celebrate Gay Pride month, deceive parents over the gender confusion in their kids, warn white kids to reign in their privilege….yet test scores tank?

You continue to parrot liberal Democrat Teachers union propaganda!
Hallelujah!