Ohio church calls new pastor.

[subllibrm]

Wow!!!  ???

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

HAC grad?

HAC, yes. Grad, don't know.

When anyone says, "I attended college near Chicago" as the bio does, that's code for I  attended HAC.

 

[Twisted]

HAC grad?

HAC, yes. Grad, don't know.

When anyone says, "I attended college near Chicago" as the bio does, that's code for I  attended HAC.

Really?  I always thought it was this one?

http://larrysbarbercollege.com/

 

[cpizzle]

Notice he said he went to bible college near Chicago without naming the school. He isn't the first HAC grad (actually I dont think he graduated) that doesn't want to mention the name of his alma mater.

https://www.friendshipbaptistonline.com/pastor

I am not ashamed

 

[16KJV11]

Marty is still among us, no doubt reading this thread!  He will be back posting soon to stir up more angst and animosity!

 

[bgwilkinson]

Notice he said he went to bible college near Chicago without naming the school. He isn't the first HAC grad (actually I dont think he graduated) that doesn't want to mention the name of his alma mater.

https://www.friendshipbaptistonline.com/pastor

I am not ashamed

Here is a quote from their web page. Is it any wonder that people call the IFBx unscholarly? What ever happened to proofreading?

"Therefore, we believe and stand firmly that have the very Word of God preserved in the King James Bible for the English Speaking People."

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.
There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at. Tells you all you need to know. This guy should sell used cars making an honest living.

 

[Ransom]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

 

[16KJV11]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

Since when has HAC been known to produce academic geniuses?  You give them too much credit! 

 

[bgwilkinson]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

I do not believe any kind of Theology such as AH Strong or Hodge is used at all. HAC just puts the bible on the table and there is your theology.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. That is why the range of beliefs is all over the map.

I have only taken a few courses at HAC, about 1974 or so, and the level of scholarship was so far below the previous colleges I attended, that  I realized I would not be learning anything worthwhile and I stopped wasting my time. I am so sorry that we have operated HAC all these years with such low level of learning in academic matters. Students must realize that HAC is unaccredited because of the poor academic level.

The academics are on a par with a night school institute with home grown teachers. Intellectual incest is the norm.

 

[cpizzle]

Notice he said he went to bible college near Chicago without naming the school. He isn't the first HAC grad (actually I dont think he graduated) that doesn't want to mention the name of his alma mater.

https://www.friendshipbaptistonline.com/pastor

I am not ashamed

Here is a quote from their web page. Is it any wonder that people call the IFBx mental midgets and unscholarly? What ever happened to proofreading?

"Therefore, we believe and stand firmly that have the very Word of God preserved in the King James Bible for the English Speaking People."

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.
There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at. Tells you all you need to know. This guy should sell used cars making an honest living.

Thank you.  I have added the missing two letters ("we") to our beliefs page.

BTW, I do make an honest living as a Human Resource manager

 

[cpizzle]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

The "beliefs" section of the website was never intended to be a scholarly thesis on all matters of theology.  It was intended to show our traditionally held beliefs on what most people feel are important topics. 

You try explaining the Trinity in 5 lines or less 

 

[16KJV11]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

I do not believe any kind of Theology such as AH Strong or Hodge is used at all. HAC just puts the bible on the table and there is your theology.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. That is why the range of beliefs is all over the map.

I have only taken a few courses at HAC, about 1974 or so, and the level of scholarship was so far below the previous colleges I attended, that  I realized I would not be learning anything worthwhile and I stopped wasting my time. I am so sorry that we have operated HAC all these years with such low level of learning in academic matters. Students must realize that HAC is unaccredited because of the poor academic level.

The academics are on a par with a night school institute with home grown teachers. Intellectual incest is the norm.

You sure do speak boldly for someone who has tolerated staying at that place for almost as long as I have been alive. 
And  your lack of kindness and humility make you look no better than the ones you excoriate. 
I can tell who you have been influenced by.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Notice he said he went to bible college near Chicago without naming the school. He isn't the first HAC grad (actually I dont think he graduated) that doesn't want to mention the name of his alma mater.

https://www.friendshipbaptistonline.com/pastor

I am not ashamed

Here is a quote from their web page. Is it any wonder that people call the IFBx mental midgets and unscholarly? What ever happened to proofreading?

"Therefore, we believe and stand firmly that have the very Word of God preserved in the King James Bible for the English Speaking People."

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.
There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at. Tells you all you need to know. This guy should sell used cars making an honest living.

Thank you.  I have added the missing two letters ("we") to our beliefs page.

BTW, I do make an honest living as a Human Resource manager

Don't tell me you're the guy in question? Sorry, didn't realize it was you.

Well, if you are, kudos for making an honest living as an HR manager.

Oh HAC did not have any courses in logic of which I am aware. This helps to explain the leaps of logic in the KJVO beliefs.
I could be wrong though.

I do find it ironic that IFBs use the Church State bible of the Church of England.

I used my NASB until mid 90s when it got dangerous to bring it on Sundays.

It's great now I can carry most all English versions on my phone along with several Hebrew and Greek texts. Win Win.

 

[bgwilkinson]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

I do not believe any kind of Theology such as AH Strong or Hodge is used at all. HAC just puts the bible on the table and there is your theology.
I could be wrong, but I don't think so. That is why the range of beliefs is all over the map.

I have only taken a few courses at HAC, about 1974 or so, and the level of scholarship was so far below the previous colleges I attended, that  I realized I would not be learning anything worthwhile and I stopped wasting my time. I am so sorry that we have operated HAC all these years with such low level of learning in academic matters. Students must realize that HAC is unaccredited because of the poor academic level.

The academics are on a par with a night school institute with home grown teachers. Intellectual incest is the norm.

You sure do speak boldly for someone who has tolerated staying at that place for almost as long as I have been alive. 
And  your lack of kindness and humility make you look no better than the ones you excoriate. 
I can tell who you have been influenced by.

"I can tell who you have been influenced by."

Not surprised. I first met Bro. Hyles out on Miller Road in the 50s. My parents and I made many trips from Minnesota to South Texas by way of Dallas in that decade.
I developed a great affinity for Bro. Hyles at that time and I still have it to this day. I apologize if I seem very sure of myself in some areas, I did pick that up from him.
I believe I picked up his sarcasm as well. Bro. Hyles taught me to be sure of myself even when I'm wrong.

Since he died I have had to re-evaluate everything he ever taught, it's been a very difficult time realizing how wrong he was in so many areas.
During my grade school years my mother taught me during our travels. She was a Latin and Greek teacher. My dad taught me theology using Strong's three volume set of Systematic Theology books. He made me read them and then explain to him what I had read. I am returning to the beliefs taught me by my parents.

I am sure I have many of the characteristics of Bro. Hyles since I have known him since the 50s. He changed and I change right along with him. It is difficult for me to admit that I was wrong. I find myself reverting to the teachings of my mother and father. They truly did know best.

It pains me to tell the unpleasant things about Bro. Hyles, but they are important to balance out the view presented by Cindy Hyles or Bob Gray, you just knew no one could be that perfect. Maybe I should call it "The Rest of the Story".

So yes, Bro. Hyles was my friend and  pastor for nearly 50 years. Yes he did influence me greatly.

Once again I apologize for all the bad theology or lack thereof and the intellectual incest that was caused by our my way or the Highway philosophy.

I truly am very sorry for all the damage we have done with HAC. So blame me, I'm sorry.

 

[bgwilkinson]

If you think that is an acceptable sentence in the English language maybe you too are an IFBx.

For a school that is supposed to be graduating a type of professional communicator, it always amazes me that HAC students can so often be spotted by their poor use of English.

There may be other sentences like that, but that is the only one I looked at.

Their affirmation of the Trinity is particularly ham-handed, though at least it's not heretical.

The "beliefs" section of the website was never intended to be a scholarly thesis on all matters of theology.  It was intended to show our traditionally held beliefs on what most people feel are important topics. 

You try explaining the Trinity in 5 lines or less 

Here is a quote from Johnny Mac's new theology book. The last two sentences pretty well sums up the trinity. Theology books are important.

The sense of God?s incomprehensibility is only heightened when the student of Scripture considers the reality that God is eternally triune. The classic Christian doctrine of the Trinity is well summarized by what is known as the Athanasian Creed. Though it bears his name, Athanasius (AD 295?373) did not write it; rather, it seems to have been penned in the fifth or sixth century AD at the earliest. The key defining statements are captured in this phrase: ?We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the Persons: nor dividing the Substance.?39 The doctrine of the Trinity, simply put, is that God is absolutely and eternally one essence subsisting in three distinct and ordered persons without division and without replication of the essence.

MacArthur, J., & Mayhue, R. (Eds.). (2017). Biblical Doctrine: A Systematic Summary of Bible Truth (p. 189). Wheaton, IL: Crossway.

 

[Ransom]

Since when has HAC been known to produce academic geniuses?  You give them too much credit! 

The surprise is less that HAC produces such subpar graduates (I know it's a clown college), than that people who presumably graduated from high school actually go there of their own free will.

 

[Ransom]

You try explaining the Trinity in 5 lines or less 

"We believe in one God who eternally exists in three divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three Persons are one in essence but distinct in personality. Each Person is fully and equally God. We reject the claim that the Trinity constitutes  belief in three gods. We further reject the view that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three roles or three different ways of looking at God."

Three lines.

 

[cpizzle]

You try explaining the Trinity in 5 lines or less 

"We believe in one God who eternally exists in three divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three Persons are one in essence but distinct in personality. Each Person is fully and equally God. We reject the claim that the Trinity constitutes  belief in three gods. We further reject the view that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three roles or three different ways of looking at God."

Three lines.

That is a good explanation of the Trinity as commonly understood.  However, this shows the problem with the study of theology.  Most of what you said is opinion, not completely explained by the scripture.  I agree, it is the most plausible explanation of the Trinity, but it is still full of assumptions and mortal thought.  God is beyond our understanding and the true nature of the Trinity is most likely incomprehensible to us. 

I am no "mental midget" nor do I consider my alma mater a "clown college."  I emphasize a humble walk with God, the fruits of the Spirit, loving others as God loves them, and keeping ourselves unspotted from the world.  Revealing doctrine that results in Godly attitudes and actions is always more important than theology.    No excuse for ignorance or laziness....but never assume we fully comprehend the height, depth, width, and breadth of Almighty God.

My perception of some theologians, is that they value knowledge over love, mercy, peace, and kindness.  I believe that a heart full of charity should trump a head full of theological opinions.

Where the Bible is clear - Unity
Where the Bible is unclear - Liberty
In all things - Charity

 

[cpizzle]

Since when has HAC been known to produce academic geniuses?  You give them too much credit! 

The surprise is less that HAC produces such subpar graduates (I know it's a clown college), than that people who presumably graduated from high school actually go there of their own free will.

I can't speak for others, but I can speak for myself.

I passed the college entrance exam in 7th grade.  I got a 30 out of 36 on my ACT in 12th grade at a public school.  I had a full scholarship to the University of TN when I graduated HS.  My dad was one of the top elected officials in the State of TN and could have helped me get into law school after college.  However, God called me to HAC. 

I have no regrets either.  I earned a business degree after leaving HAC.  Now, I am in upper management of a mid sized business (200+) with over 80 million in annual revenue.  I pastor a growing church in Middle TN with people I love and who love me.  My wife is a nurse and we are living an upper middle class lifestyle while serving the Lord and giving to others.  Not bad for a "clown college" graduate

 

[Ransom]

"We believe in one God who eternally exists in three divine Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These three Persons are one in essence but distinct in personality. Each Person is fully and equally God. We reject the claim that the Trinity constitutes  belief in three gods. We further reject the view that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three roles or three different ways of looking at God."

Three lines.

That is a good explanation of the Trinity as commonly understood.  However, this shows the problem with the study of theology.  Most of what you said is opinion, not completely explained by the scripture.

Which parts are not explained by Scripture? I submit that it is the above that is the opinion, not my statement.