Old Earth versus Young Earth...is it a matter of orthodoxy?

[FSSL]

.You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Gap theorists (as in the example I gave with Bob Jones) believe in an old earth and a literal man, Adam.

 

[rsc2a]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Those that believe in an evolutionary creative act of God...

*raises hand*

...deny that Adam was a single man.

Not I. And you're little presuppositive box you want to shove people into falls apart just like that.

Obviously, you've never really had a discussion at any length on the matter. In fact, I'm beginning to wonder if you're nothing more than theological "googler"

Translation: "You are stupid and no one is as smart as the great and powerful PY."

I never said "Young earth creationism" was a salvific doctrine. Denying the sin of Adam and the distorting the doctrine of the Incarnation IS!!!

As you are using the term, doctrine is not salvific at all. Jesus saves, not correct knowledge of Jesus.

 

[subllibrm]

i like to talk about neolithic..stone age and bronze age cultures as if they occurred tens of thousands of years ago........ but i trust God that if He wanted to put earth and everything else in the universe together in 7 literal days a mere 7 thousand years ago..... and give it all the built in appearance of age equal to millions of years.... with dinosaurs on one continent and human beings on another prior to the flood...... . He could have easily done so.........

but since the scientific evidence is just as subject to interpretation as genesis 1..... maybe more so.... i choose to believe the christian orthodox version of a young earth........ how young?........i don;t know..... i don;t believe it;s billions or even millions of years...... ... but i don;t get upset with those disagree with me and say it is either.......  ???......however.... ... i do get irritated with those who say my belief in a younger earth indicates a lack of education............ that;s when i have to retort that their view indicates a lack of faith........ ..... oddly enough, very few of them disagree with me on that.....  :-\

My opinion is that the earth was one continent pre-flood.  The continent was broken apart by the catastrophe that caused the flood.  It released water under the crust, and the crust was broken into plates and pushed very rapidly apart, forming in just a year or so much of the geology scientists believe formed over millions of years.  The continental drift of today is just the remaining energy still being released.  That's my hypothesis, and I'm sticking to it until someone can convince me otherwise, or I get to heaven and find out differently. 

That doesn't prove anything about the age of the earth, but it makes a lot more sense to me than what we're being fed by so-called scientists. I was shocked and delighted to learn that a professional geologist (a geologic engineer whose job it is to map underground caves and detect sources of oil in Missouri) believes in almost exactly the same hypothesis.

Or, it was divided in Peleg's day...?

Earnestly Contend

What does Pegleg the pirate have to do with this?

Genesis 10:25
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

Earnestly Contend

Joktan is a cool name.

Earnestly Contend

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I wonder if he knew how to play the sackbut

 

[prophet]

i like to talk about neolithic..stone age and bronze age cultures as if they occurred tens of thousands of years ago........ but i trust God that if He wanted to put earth and everything else in the universe together in 7 literal days a mere 7 thousand years ago..... and give it all the built in appearance of age equal to millions of years.... with dinosaurs on one continent and human beings on another prior to the flood...... . He could have easily done so.........

but since the scientific evidence is just as subject to interpretation as genesis 1..... maybe more so.... i choose to believe the christian orthodox version of a young earth........ how young?........i don;t know..... i don;t believe it;s billions or even millions of years...... ... but i don;t get upset with those disagree with me and say it is either.......  ???......however.... ... i do get irritated with those who say my belief in a younger earth indicates a lack of education............ that;s when i have to retort that their view indicates a lack of faith........ ..... oddly enough, very few of them disagree with me on that.....  :-\

My opinion is that the earth was one continent pre-flood.  The continent was broken apart by the catastrophe that caused the flood.  It released water under the crust, and the crust was broken into plates and pushed very rapidly apart, forming in just a year or so much of the geology scientists believe formed over millions of years.  The continental drift of today is just the remaining energy still being released.  That's my hypothesis, and I'm sticking to it until someone can convince me otherwise, or I get to heaven and find out differently. 

That doesn't prove anything about the age of the earth, but it makes a lot more sense to me than what we're being fed by so-called scientists. I was shocked and delighted to learn that a professional geologist (a geologic engineer whose job it is to map underground caves and detect sources of oil in Missouri) believes in almost exactly the same hypothesis.

Or, it was divided in Peleg's day...?

Earnestly Contend

What does Pegleg the pirate have to do with this?

Genesis 10:25
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

Earnestly Contend

Joktan is a cool name.

Earnestly Contend

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I wonder if he knew how to play the sackbut

Been wondering that about Michigan's D, last couple games.

Earnestly Contend

 

[subllibrm]

Joktan is a cool name.

Earnestly Contend

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I wonder if he knew how to play the sackbut
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Been wondering that about Michigan's D, last couple games.

Earnestly Contend
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I am looking forward to New Year's Eve for the first time in forever. Wolverines the next day is just a nice little added treat. The Big 10 is back!

 

[prophet]

Joktan is a cool name.

Earnestly Contend

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I wonder if he knew how to play the sackbut

Been wondering that about Michigan's D, last couple games.

Earnestly Contend
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I am looking forward to New Year's Eve for the first time in forever. Wolverines the next day is just a nice little added treat. The Big 10 is back!
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Yeah, cuz last year's NC wasn't Big Ten....


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Earnestly Contend

 

[praise_yeshua]

.You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Gap theorists (as in the example I gave with Bob Jones) believe in an old earth and a literal man, Adam.

Are you really that dishonest?

Gap theorists don't believe in an evolutionary creation of Adam!!!!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not I. And you're little presuppositive box you want to shove people into falls apart just like that.

Very simple question. Even you should be able to answer.....

1. Do you believe other humans existed before this "adam" you say your believe was a single man?

2. Do you believe those bloodlines still exist today?

As you are using the term, doctrine is not salvific at all. Jesus saves, not correct knowledge of Jesus.

Then why do you claim I'm unorthodox? FSSL has clearly said that the lack of orthodoxy isn't salvific. 

 

[rsc2a]

Not I. And you're little presuppositive box you want to shove people into falls apart just like that.

Very simple question. Even you should be able to answer.....

1. Do you believe other humans existed before this "adam" you say your believe was a single man?

2. Do you believe those bloodlines still exist today?

Nope and nope.

As you are using the term, doctrine is not salvific at all. Jesus saves, not correct knowledge of Jesus.

Then why do you claim I'm unorthodox? FSSL has clearly said that the lack of orthodoxy isn't salvific.

Problems with logic?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Nope and nope.

Then explain how man evolved into Adam? No need for great detail just explain what is taught by evolutionary scientists and how it doesn't include humanoids prior to what survived to be called "Adam"?

Problems with logic?

Nope. You do. You say Jesus saves..... not orthodoxy.

Given this belief of you hold.... then why do you continually denying my position in Christ?

 

[FSSL]

Are you really that dishonest?
Gap theorists don't believe in an evolutionary creation of Adam!!!!!

You really work hard at not reading.

 

[rsc2a]

Nope and nope.

Then explain how man evolved into Adam?

God gifted a humanoid with His image. Voila! Humanity!

No need for great detail just explain what is taught by evolutionary scientists and how it doesn't include humanoids prior to what survived to be called "Adam"?

See also: goalposts, moving the

Problems with logic?

Nope. You do. You say Jesus saves..... not orthodoxy.

Given this belief of you hold.... then why do you continually denying my position in Christ?

Galatians provides two lists: one for those marked by Jesus, one for those not. Which list best describes how you interact here?

 

[subllibrm]

I am a humanoid!  8)

 

[Ransom]

Gap theorists (as in the example I gave with Bob Jones) believe in an old earth and a literal man, Adam.

Are you really that dishonest?

Gap theorists don't believe in an evolutionary creation of Adam!!!!!

FSSL: My basketball is round.
Yeezy: You liar, it's orange!

I'm so glad PY is around to keep us all honest.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Are you really that dishonest?
Gap theorists don't believe in an evolutionary creation of Adam!!!!!

You really work hard at not reading.

I don't think you work hard at much of anything!!!

My comments were in the context of an evolutionary view of Adam. Do whatever you want to do with it. Have fun!

 

[praise_yeshua]

God gifted a humanoid with His image. Voila! Humanity!

1. A humanoid among many humanoids?

2. Did the rest of the candidates die out?

Galatians provides two lists: one for those marked by Jesus, one for those not. Which list best describes how you interact here?

I thought you said that Jesus saves and not an orthodox understanding. Why do you then point me to a list of standards?

Double minded men!!!!

 

[rsc2a]

God gifted a humanoid with His image. Voila! Humanity!

1. A humanoid among many humanoids?

2. Did the rest of the candidates die out?

1 - A basic understanding of language would make that clear.

2 - Obviously.

Galatians provides two lists: one for those marked by Jesus, one for those not. Which list best describes how you interact here?

I thought you said that Jesus saves and not an orthodox understanding. Why do you then point me to a list of standards?

Double minded men!!!!

A list being indicative of change is not equal to that list being responsible for that change.

The fact that you reject this and other basic Christian teachings plus the fact that you portray none of the characteristic marks of a believer make me wonder. But determining your eternal fate is far above my pay grade.

 

[praise_yeshua]

1 - A basic understanding of language would make that clear.

2 - Obviously.

1. I don't speak "rsca". Answer the question. A humanoid among many humanoids?

2. Why obviously? What candidates died?

A list being indicative of change is not equal to that list being responsible for that change.

The fact that you reject this and other basic Christian teachings plus the fact that you portray none of the characteristic marks of a believer make me wonder. But determining your eternal fate is far above my pay grade.

Funny. I make YOU wonder. So you wouldn't dare question one of God's own but you'll sure "wonder" about it.

Typical liberal rhetoric. If might be in your "pay grade" you'll sure act like it is.....

 

[prophet]

Or, it was divided in Peleg's day...?

Earnestly Contend

speaking of peleg......... ...... i;m thinking the bible was talking about peleg being around when the tower of babel thing happened........ that too was often described as a dividing of the earth..... or of the earths people....  ........ could it be possible that the separation of the continents ... which night have already begun after the flood.... was accelerated at that time?......  thus making it impossible.. (at least for a few millenia)....  for the people God separated to join back up together?...... ???....

the possibilities of how things could have happened are endless...... and pretty fascinating to think about too in my opinion....... ... yeah i know..... many scientists will say that;s just letting ones imagination run away with them..... even when it;s backed up by a considerable measure of science too.......  but then........ they seem to forget that when they stare into a pile of mismatched bones or at the rings of tree trunks.... and formulate a theory they will later have to revise or defend against the theories of other scientists staring at the same set of bones..... that;s exactly what they are doing too....... letting their imagination run away.....  only without the benefit of faith and a historical document like genesis to guide their thoughts........... they call it hypothesis when they do it.......

but i have been there with some of them... during my college years...  when they were putting their scientific minds to work mulling over bones...rocks and tree rings.......... and what i saw was imagination running at full steam....  ......... .... if you really wanted to see them have a conniption all you had to do was wait until they finished their oratory summary and then begin with.. ... "or..it could be....... "....  ;D ........ they are worse than religious zealots when it comes to intolerance of opposite opinions........

I see it as the  possible meaning, and yes, my mind races to think of how that all happened.
I mean, could you sit in Portugal, and watch Cuba float away?

Wow.

Earnestly Contend

 

[praise_yeshua]

1 - A basic understanding of language would make that clear.

2 - Obviously.

1. I don't speak "rsca". Answer the question. A humanoid among many humanoids?

2. Why obviously? What candidates died?

A list being indicative of change is not equal to that list being responsible for that change.

The fact that you reject this and other basic Christian teachings plus the fact that you portray none of the characteristic marks of a believer make me wonder. But determining your eternal fate is far above my pay grade.

Funny. I make YOU wonder. So you wouldn't dare question one of God's own but you'll sure "wonder" about it.

Typical liberal rhetoric. If might be in your "pay grade" you'll sure act like it is.....

Bump for the liar.