On preaching and the hearer's responsibilities.

[ALAYMAN]

The effectiveness of my preaching does not just depend on how well I preach, but also on how well you listen. Even Jesus, the greatest preacher ever, exhorted His audience, ?Take care how you listen? (Luke 8:18). Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Short but sweet.  I like it.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

The effectiveness of my preaching does not just depend on how well I preach, but also on how well you listen. Even Jesus, the greatest preacher ever, exhorted His audience, ?Take care how you listen? (Luke 8:18). Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Short but sweet.  I like it.

Context of the verse was Jesus telling the people how to contextualize His parables, not how they should listen to their 'mannagawd'.

 

[rsc2a]

...Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders...

Short but sweet.  I like it.

You like terrible authoritarian teaching that rejects soul liberty and lays the foundation for cults?

*shock*

 

[Tim]

But all preachers/pastors I have sat under never fully present a doctrine I could dogmatically agree with.

No pastor is perfect.

 

[praise_yeshua]

The effectiveness of my preaching does not just depend on how well I preach, but also on how well you listen. Even Jesus, the greatest preacher ever, exhorted His audience, ?Take care how you listen? (Luke 8:18). Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Short but sweet.  I like it.

Rephrase this to

"Your first duty is to obey the Word of God" and you have something there...

 

[ALAYMAN]

But all preachers/pastors I have sat under never fully present a doctrine I could dogmatically agree with.

No pastor is perfect.

Jesus is God, the eternal second person of the Trinity.  None of your pastors have ever taught on that, and you couldn't agree with it if he did?

 

[ALAYMAN]

The effectiveness of my preaching does not just depend on how well I preach, but also on how well you listen. Even Jesus, the greatest preacher ever, exhorted His audience, ?Take care how you listen? (Luke 8:18). Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Short but sweet.  I like it.

Context of the verse was Jesus telling the people how to contextualize His parables, not how they should listen to their 'mannagawd'.

A) Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to teach others about him?
B) Who said anything about a mannagawd?
C) I know you don't like Paul, but...

1 Thessalonians 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[ALAYMAN]

You like terrible authoritarian teaching that rejects soul liberty and lays the foundation for cults?

*shock*

"I don't like what the Scriptures teach, so I'll just make it up as I go along."

 

[rsc2a]

Apparently you have some confusion.  "Mog" is not synonymous with "Scripture".

 

[ALAYMAN]

Apparently you have some confusion.  "Mog" is not synonymous with "Scripture".

Apparently you don't understand what the centrality of evangelical preaching of the gospel is to the life of the believer.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Apparently you have some confusion.  "Mog" is not synonymous with "Scripture".

Apparently you don't understand what the centrality of evangelical preaching of the gospel is to the life of the believer.

i thought Jesus is the centrality of the Christian life?

 

[ALAYMAN]

Apparently you have some confusion.  "Mog" is not synonymous with "Scripture".

Apparently you don't understand what the centrality of evangelical preaching of the gospel is to the life of the believer.

i thought Jesus is the centrality of the Christian life?

Well, when you figure out what the gospel is then your question will be answered.


<said in the voice of "when you snatch the pebbles from my hand you may leave">

 

[Recovering IFB]

I'm starting to think you don't know what the Gospel is...

 

[rsc2a]

I'm starting to think you don't know what the Gospel is...

Apparently it is following some man who isn't simultaneously God.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'm starting to think you don't know what the Gospel is...

lol, well, that doesn't address the critical nature of the proclamation of the gospel as a central mode of worship in evangelical history, but I'm sure you'll create some sort of diversion to move the goalposts, again.

 

[prophet]

But all preachers/pastors I have sat under never fully present a doctrine I could dogmatically agree with.

No pastor is perfect.

Lol@ "sat under".

Earnestly Contend

 

[Recovering IFB]

Alayman,Im just finishing this up now, I think this is something you should read:
http://www.amazon.com/Christless-Christianity-Alternative-Gospel-American/dp/0801072212

 

[ALAYMAN]

Alayman,Im just finishing this up now, I think this is something you should read:
http://www.amazon.com/Christless-Christianity-Alternative-Gospel-American/dp/0801072212

This is a good one I've read to help understand what vital role the gospel-centered sermon takes in the life of the church....

http://www.amazon.com/Christ-Centered-Preaching-Redeeming-Expository-Sermon/dp/0801027985

 

[Smellin Coffee]

A) Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to teach others about him?

Yes.

B) Who said anything about a mannagawd?

The quote started in that direction and ended with Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Using the caveat of their teaching what Jesus did, I take no debate. What I have issues with is that the tenor of the quote promotes the following of men rather than the following of Christ.

C) I know you don't like Paul, but...

1 Thessalonians 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Yet there were those who were more noble than the Thessalonians because they didn't take "Preacher" at face value:

Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true.

I would like Paul better if he aligned more with what Christ actually taught.

...you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.

 

[prophet]

The effectiveness of my preaching does not just depend on how well I preach, but also on how well you listen. Even Jesus, the greatest preacher ever, exhorted His audience, ?Take care how you listen? (Luke 8:18). Your first duty is to obey godly church leaders, and that primarily means obeying the Word of God that they preach.

Short but sweet.  I like it.

Context of the verse was Jesus telling the people how to contextualize His parables, not how they should listen to their 'mannagawd'.

A) Didn't Jesus tell his disciples to teach others about him?
B) Who said anything about a mannagawd?
C) I know you don't like Paul, but...

1 Thessalonians 2:13King James Version (KJV)

13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Surely you aren't confusing 'debating one on one in a Synagogue' with the weekly prating of the modern church-king?

Act 17:1 ? Act 17:4
17? And having journeyed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was the synagogue of the Jews. And according to Paul's custom he went in among them, and on three sabbaths reasoned with them from the scriptures, opening and laying down that the Christ must have suffered and risen up from among the dead, and that this is the Christ, Jesus whom *I* announce to you. And some of them believed, and joined themselves to Paul and Silas, and of the Greeks who worshipped, a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

Earnestly Contend