Pedophila isn't a crime!?

[Tarheel Baptist]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

 

[LongGone]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

The fact it is a disorder does not stop it from being a heinous crime.

 

[prophet]

Lol @ "disorder".

Like "disease", it just means : "something isn't right".

 

[subllibrm]

The proclivity to sin is a disorder. Maybe some talk therapy will help.  8)

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

I guess many, if not most of us, could see this coming.
Sodomy was once considered to be perversion...then, a 'disorder'....

 

[LongGone]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

I guess many, if not most of us, could see this coming.
Sodomy was once considered to be perversion...then, a 'disorder'....

The comparison doesn't work because there is not a victim to consenting adults practicing homosexuality...very different with a pedophile.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

I guess many, if not most of us, could see this coming.
Sodomy was once considered to be perversion...then, a 'disorder'....

The comparison doesn't work because there is not a victim to consenting adults practicing homosexuality...very different with a pedophile.

Not comparing the sins...just the evolving reaction of the culture to the sins.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/10/06/pedophilia-not-a-crime-rutgers-margo-kaplan/#Aoo1WrpEBhxWmZHb.01

I guess many, if not most of us, could see this coming.
Sodomy was once considered to be perversion...then, a 'disorder'....

The comparison doesn't work because there is not a victim to consenting adults practicing homosexuality...very different with a pedophile.

Not comparing the sins...just the evolving reaction of the culture to the sins.

Sure doesn't seem that way in the OP.

Your original quote:

It probably has something to do with a lack of hospitality....like Sodomy!

 

[Least of These]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

Sodomy is just way ahead of Pedophila in the evolutionary process.
Spdomy has already gone from a crime to a psychological disorder to acceptance...even by many in the 'church'. It took decades, but it happened.
IMO, pedophila is on the road.....
Different sins....or perversions but the same cultural evolutionary path.

And I certainly understand that is merely my opinion, but.....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

But you said...

Not comparing the sins...just the evolving reaction of the culture to the sins.

:-\

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

Sodomy is just way ahead of Pedophila in the evolutionary process.
Spdomy has already gone from a crime to a psychological disorder to acceptance...even by many in the 'church'. It took decades, but it happened.
IMO, pedophila is on the road.....
Different sins....or perversions but the same cultural evolutionary path.

And I certainly understand that is merely my opinion, but.....

I agree, with the caveat that sodomy between consenting adults harms only the willful participants, whereas pedophilia harms an unwilling participant (yes, even if the child consents, since children aren't mature enough to really understand the consequences). 

I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but the "evolution" really is a modern liberalism issue.  As Evan Sayet puts it, it's a strategy to de-legitimize things that are good, right, and lead to success and promote things that are bad, wrong, and lead to failure.  In other words, call good evil, and call evil good.  The ultimate (misguided) goal is to make everything morally equivalent so that everything is considered equal, and there can be no disagreements between anyone.  It's a devilish thing, really.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

Sodomy is just way ahead of Pedophila in the evolutionary process.
Spdomy has already gone from a crime to a psychological disorder to acceptance...even by many in the 'church'. It took decades, but it happened.
IMO, pedophila is on the road.....
Different sins....or perversions but the same cultural evolutionary path.

And I certainly understand that is merely my opinion, but.....

I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but the "evolution" really is a modern liberalism issue.  As Evan Sayet puts it, it's a strategy to de-legitimize things that are good, right, and lead to success and promote things that are bad, wrong, and lead to failure.  In other words, call good evil, and call evil good.  The ultimate (misguided) goal is to make everything morally equivalent so that everything is considered equal, and there can be no disagreements between anyone.  It's a devilish thing, really.

Yep. Let's get back to the "good 'ole days' where we enslave people, rape them legally, steal land, lock women out of society and politics, burn those suspected of being a witch, etc.  :'(

 

[Least of These]

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

Does threatening incarcerating for anyone who admits to having the tendencies work in practice?  From what I've read, I believe you're correct that therapy isn't a "cure" but it can be a preventative - and possibly a more effective one than the promise of being locked up for thought crimes.  (JMO, of course!)

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

Does threatening incarcerating for anyone who admits to having the tendencies work in practice?  From what I've read, I believe you're correct that therapy isn't a "cure" but it can be a preventative - and possibly a more effective one than the promise of being locked up for thought crimes.  (JMO, of course!)

I was not aware that someone could be incarcerated for their tendencies or thoughts. After the crime has been committed, there are and rightfully should be, stringent rules for a pedophile to follow.

But, I can't speak to the issue of those who are incarcerated for thought crimes.

 

[Least of These]

I was not aware that someone could be incarcerated for their tendencies or thoughts. After the crime has been committed, there are and rightfully should be, stringent rules for a pedophile to follow.

Well, yes, I agree, but I thought that was the whole point of the article: the thought/tendency is a disorder that should be treated in order to (hopefully) prevent him from committing the crime of child abuse.  Maybe I misunderstood.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I was not aware that someone could be incarcerated for their tendencies or thoughts. After the crime has been committed, there are and rightfully should be, stringent rules for a pedophile to follow.

Well, yes, I agree, but I thought that was the whole point of the article: the thought/tendency is a disorder that should be treated in order to (hopefully) prevent him from committing the crime of child abuse.  Maybe I misunderstood.

I see what you were saying. 
I would assume that many with those tendencies do seek treatment, and merely seeking treatment would not constitute a crime or incarceration. My point is that she says the same thing about pedophiles that have been said about Sodomites...and believes and advocates they be viewed and treated that way.
They can't help it, they are born that way.
My take on the article is that convicted pedophiles should be treated less like criminals and more like 'sick/ill people'.
My point is not to debate the sin, per se....but to point out the uncanny way it is following the path of Sodomy in its cultural evolution.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

Sodomy is just way ahead of Pedophila in the evolutionary process.
Spdomy has already gone from a crime to a psychological disorder to acceptance...even by many in the 'church'. It took decades, but it happened.
IMO, pedophila is on the road.....
Different sins....or perversions but the same cultural evolutionary path.

And I certainly understand that is merely my opinion, but.....

I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but the "evolution" really is a modern liberalism issue.  As Evan Sayet puts it, it's a strategy to de-legitimize things that are good, right, and lead to success and promote things that are bad, wrong, and lead to failure.  In other words, call good evil, and call evil good.  The ultimate (misguided) goal is to make everything morally equivalent so that everything is considered equal, and there can be no disagreements between anyone.  It's a devilish thing, really.

Yep. Let's get back to the "good 'ole days' where we enslave people, rape them legally, steal land, lock women out of society and politics, burn those suspected of being a witch, etc.  :'(

Typical modern liberal retort. 

You know, there's a difference between a liberal and a modern liberal.  I would consider myself liberal/libertarian.  I do not count myself among modern liberals, who are determined to make everything morally equivalent by bashing what is good, right and leads to success and promoting what is bad, wrong, and leads to failure. 

 

[prophet]

Of course the abuse of a child is and will remain a crime.  But seems to me that if the attraction was treated as a mental disorder BEFORE the pedophile acted on his impulses, it'd be a good thing.  Declaring the thought/desire itself to be a crime doesn't make it go away, it just guarantees the person will keep it hidden and try (or not) to control it themselves rather than seek help.

That sounds good in theory, but it has not worked, as a rule, in practice.
Outside of chemical castration, therapy has not proven to be a cure.

The two sins, Sodomy and Pedophila are similar in many ways...they are both perversion!  Both were once universally denounced by society and the church.

Sodomy is just way ahead of Pedophila in the evolutionary process.
Spdomy has already gone from a crime to a psychological disorder to acceptance...even by many in the 'church'. It took decades, but it happened.
IMO, pedophila is on the road.....
Different sins....or perversions but the same cultural evolutionary path.

And I certainly understand that is merely my opinion, but.....

I'm sorry to bring politics into this, but the "evolution" really is a modern liberalism issue.  As Evan Sayet puts it, it's a strategy to de-legitimize things that are good, right, and lead to success and promote things that are bad, wrong, and lead to failure.  In other words, call good evil, and call evil good.  The ultimate (misguided) goal is to make everything morally equivalent so that everything is considered equal, and there can be no disagreements between anyone.  It's a devilish thing, really.

Yep. Let's get back to the "good 'ole days' where we enslave people, rape them legally, steal land, lock women out of society and politics, burn those suspected of being a witch, etc.  :'(

Typical modern liberal retort. 

You know, there's a difference between a liberal and a modern liberal.  I would consider myself liberal/libertarian.  I do not count myself among modern liberals, who are determined to make everything morally equivalent by bashing what is good, right and leads to success and promoting what is bad, wrong, and leads to failure.

I'm with ya on this.  And the Scriptures warn us of a society that calls evil 'good', and good 'evil'.

Calling sexual deviancy a "marriage" is exactly that.

Calling sexual deviancy a medical condition, is just a step in the wrong direction.

It behooves us, as a society, to promote good, and eschew evil.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

On this topic, prophet, the tomato and I can harmonize on a chorus of kumbaya.