Post-Mortem on John MacArthur

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Interesting review of John MacArthur's life and ministry from an IFB viewpoint:


"From the 1970s through the 1990s, he openly opposed the doctrine of secondary separation; a stance held by many fundamentalists. Yet in later years, he found it necessary to practice it often. In the 1980s and 1990s, he strongly advocated for elder-rule church governance over congregational rule, holding seminars to coach pastors on how to implement this change in their churches—even against congregational resistance. Baptist fundamentalists felt betrayed by this movement and believed it violated the scriptural polity and damaged churches. . . .

"In the last 50 years, John MacArthur has been more influential in Baptist fundamentalism than any individual Baptist fundamentalist leader. The same is true for conservative evangelicalism. He took positions that often encouraged fundamental Baptists, but also some that divided us even from one another. He always seemed to be right in the middle of our own internal controversies and debates."


I remember a long time ago, maybe late 1980s, attending an entire session of the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship devoted to exposing and warning against John MacArthur. This was at the old Oak Forest Baptist Temple in Oak Forest, Illinois, pastored by Bill Schroeder, a good man. (The church later moved to Frankfort, Illinois and became Heritage Baptist Church).

I recall one pastor at that meeting who sternly proclaimed that "We need to warn our people against John MacArthur and tell them to not buy his books." Pastor Wayne Van Gelderen Sr. of Marquette Manor Baptist Church in Downers Grove, Illinois responded, "I am not going to tell my people not to buy MacArthur's books, because if I do, they are all going to go out and buy his books so they can find out what the fuss is all about." We all roared with laughter.
 
As far as I'm concerned any IFB could have bought anything from John MacArthur or RC Sproul and not be doctrinally very off base in anything. Instead, more bought garbage from people like Peter Ruckman and adopted it as heaven sent.
Macarthur was just as fundamental as anyone, except for secondary separation and King James adherence.
 
As far as I'm concerned any IFB could have bought anything from John MacArthur or RC Sproul and not be doctrinally very off base in anything. Instead, more bought garbage from people like Peter Ruckman and adopted it as heaven sent.
I agree that idiocy was often swallowed by Kool aid drinkers. Despite that fact, I don't count paedobaptism nor Calvinism as palatable enough to have been "bought" from Mac and/or Sproul because they were otherwise well regarded, not to mention covenant theology.
 
I agree that idiocy was often swallowed by Kool aid drinkers. Despite that fact, I don't count paedobaptism nor Calvinism as palatable enough to have been "bought" from Mac and/or Sproul because they were otherwise well regarded, not to mention covenant theology.
Macarthur was a strong dispensationalist.
 
Macarthur was a strong dispensationalist.
Yes, I know, but my word salads often betrays my intended meaning, LOL. The covenant theology comment was directed at Sproul (whom I particularly like).
 
For some reason, since his passing, Billy Graham has become a saint with many of my IFB friends. I can only hope they will think the same of MacArthur.
Once you get past the separation issue, you must admit that Billy Graham preached a sound gospel and probably did so to more people than anyone in the 20th century. Accordingly he may have been used to bring more souls to Christ than anyone of his time.

Of course, fifty years ago I heard all the great fundamentalists diss him for various reasons. Sometimes we don't allow the main thing to be the main thing.
 
For some reason, since his passing, Billy Graham has become a saint with many of my IFB friends. I can only hope they will think the same of MacArthur.
Just like Spurgeon. He was a Calvinist, but IFB quote him. The Sword of the Lord even used to publish Spurgeon sermons.
 
Neither of which, for that matter, is a fundamental of the faith, just a practical standard of the fundamentalist movement.
Truth. When I was at Maranatha Baptist Bible College 92-95 Larry Oats (father of Nate Oats, Univ of Alabama head basketball coach, btw) was working on his PhD Dissertation at TEDS. He came to the church I pastored and preached from it. His claim is that Separation is the sine que non of Independent Baptist Fundamentalism, and that it is a necessary part of the gospel.
 
But didn't SOTL edit out portions of Spurgeon's sermons?

Yep. And not only Spurgeon. Apparently they (Rice?) once expurgated some stuff from Jonathan Edwards's "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," too. Takes some chutzpah to cut the Calvinism out of America's most famous sermon and assume no one will notice.
 
How is Mrs Alayman?
We are at Subway last night before VBS in order to break out of her rut of eating the same ole thing. She had a plain chicken sub. An hour later she quickly and hastily went to the restroom with stomach issues. Hard to know what caused it for sure, but it's that sort of stuff that will be unsettling for a while.

Thanks for asking.
 
We are at Subway last night before VBS in order to break out of her rut of eating the same ole thing. She had a plain chicken sub. An hour later she quickly and hastily went to the restroom with stomach issues. Hard to know what caused it for sure, but it's that sort of stuff that will be unsettling for a while.

Thanks for asking.
I am still praying, my dear brother.
 
We are at Subway last night before VBS in order to break out of her rut of eating the same ole thing. She had a plain chicken sub. An hour later she quickly and hastily went to the restroom with stomach issues. Hard to know what caused it for sure, but it's that sort of stuff that will be unsettling for a while.

Thanks for asking.

I'll be praying for your wife my friend.
 
Macarthur was just as fundamental as anyone, except for secondary separation and King James adherence.


The term secondary separation was coined by those who don't or didn't practice primary separation.............



But that's just me.
 
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