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What is your opinion of Ray Boltz's songs? Back in the day, before he came out, I thought his songs were well written and soul-stirring. Should we totally remove anything he produced from our repertoire ?
 
I can only name two Ray Boltz songs off the top of my head: "Thank You" and "I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb." Both of which are sappy and cliched, 30 years old, and best left forgotten. Mediocre songs loved by mediocre singers.

Boltz himself retired from the music industry 20 years ago, several years before coming out. He's of no relevance. How about we keep him in the vault with his maudlin ballads?
 
Ransom said:
I can only name two Ray Boltz songs off the top of my head: "Thank You" and "I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb." Both of which are sappy and cliched, 30 years old, and best left forgotten. Mediocre songs loved by mediocre singers.

Boltz himself retired from the music industry 20 years ago, several years before coming out. He's of no relevance. How about we keep him in the vault with his maudlin ballads?
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I heartily concur! Never was a fan, always feeling that something was a little off with the man.
 
Ransom said:
I can only name two Ray Boltz songs off the top of my head: "Thank You" and "I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb." Both of which are sappy and cliched, 30 years old, and best left forgotten. Mediocre songs loved by mediocre singers.

Boltz himself retired from the music industry 20 years ago, several years before coming out. He's of no relevance. How about we keep him in the vault with his maudlin ballads?
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I always liked The Anchor Holds, Watch the lamb, There stood a lamb, People Need the Lord, and The Alter as well as Thank You and I pledge Allegiance to the Lamb.

I'm glad he is no longer involved in Christian music but I still like to hear others use his songs. God sometimes works through imperfect people to perform his work.

Ransom why do you have to put down "Mediocre" singers. Many small churches do not have talented classically trained vocalists. Their special music is performed by humble church members who just want to be a blessing and bring honor to Christ. I love to hear them sing hymns or songs that are easy to sing that have a good message. I have heard each and every one of these songs sung well and when they were a blessing to those in attendance. I prefer to hear good Christian music preformed live by people I know love the Lord and who have served him humbly for years, then some professional performers who may or may not be in it just for the money. To me the testimony of the performer is more important than the talent in my humble opinion.
 
sword said:
I always liked The Anchor Holds, Watch the lamb, There stood a lamb, People Need the Lord, and The Alter as well as Thank You and I pledge Allegiance to the Lamb.

I'm glad he is no longer involved in Christian music but I still like to hear others use his songs. God sometimes works through imperfect people to perform his work.

Ransom why do you have to put down "Mediocre" singers. Many small churches do not have talented classically trained vocalists. Their special music is performed by humble church members who just want to be a blessing and bring honor to Christ. I love to hear them sing hymns or songs that are easy to sing that have a good message. I have heard each and every one of these songs sung well and when they were a blessing to those in attendance. I prefer to hear good Christian music preformed live by people I know love the Lord and who have served him humbly for years, then some professional performers who may or may not be in it just for the money. To me the testimony of the performer is more important than the talent in my humble opinion.
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If I could take him to some of the small churches in the mountains I’ve been to, and let him hear a couple of big women belting out some some southern gospel, he’d really be in culture shock! 😆
 
sword said:
I always liked The Anchor Holds, Watch the lamb, There stood a lamb, People Need the Lord, and The Alter as well as Thank You and I pledge Allegiance to the Lamb.

I'm glad he is no longer involved in Christian music but I still like to hear others use his songs. God sometimes works through imperfect people to perform his work.

Ransom why do you have to put down "Mediocre" singers. Many small churches do not have talented classically trained vocalists. Their special music is performed by humble church members who just want to be a blessing and bring honor to Christ. I love to hear them sing hymns or songs that are easy to sing that have a good message. I have heard each and every one of these songs sung well and when they were a blessing to those in attendance. I prefer to hear good Christian music preformed live by people I know love the Lord and who have served him humbly for years, then some professional performers who may or may not be in it just for the money. To me the testimony of the performer is more important than the talent in my humble opinion.
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I always liked "I Will Tell The World". The video was pretty cool for early 90's CCM.
 
sword said:
Ransom why do you have to put down "Mediocre" singers. Many small churches do not have talented classically trained vocalists. Their special music is performed by humble church members who just want to be a blessing and bring honor to Christ.
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We are called to sing as an act of worship worship (Eph. 5:19), and I'll put up with the guy with the tin ear singing "And Can It Be" next to me.

On the other hand, we're not called to have "special" music. I don't want to listen to bad singing. Church musicians ought to be "trained and skilled in music for the Lord" (1 Chron. 25:6). Earnestness is not a substitute for skill, and I'm not being blessed by it.
 
Ransom said:
We are called to sing as an act of worship worship (Eph. 5:19), and I'll put up with the guy with the tin ear singing "And Can It Be" next to me.

On the other hand, we're not called to have "special" music. I don't want to listen to bad singing. Church musicians ought to be "trained and skilled in music for the Lord" (1 Chron. 25:6). Earnestness is not a substitute for skill, and I'm not being blessed by it.
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Well I agree with the essence of what you say here, but drilling down a little bit deeper, the essence of his point was there are plenty of small churches where they don't have much or any talent/skill and what you get is somebody who can't carry a tune in a bucket. There are no ways to enhance any of the potential "special performers" in that case. Given those conditions, are you saying that you would not get a blessing at all by individual "specials" and that it should be just left to congregational singing?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Well I agree with the essence of what you say here, but drilling down a little bit deeper, the essence of his point was there are plenty of small churches where they don't have much or any talent/skill and what you get is somebody who can't carry a tune in a bucket. There are no ways to enhance any of the potential "special performers" in that case. Given those conditions, are you saying that you would not get a blessing at all by individual "specials" and that it should be just left to congregational singing?
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I think the same could be said for a handful of preachers I’ve heard over the years, particularly when a church allows a younger “preacher boy” the opportunity to gain some experience. Like any vocation, you learn by experience, and it’s not always pretty in the beginning 😬
 
ALAYMAN said:
Given those conditions, are you saying that you would not get a blessing at all by individual "specials" and that it should be just left to congregational singing?
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Having attended both very large and very small churches, my opinion isn't changed by the local demographic. Poor singing and Ray Boltz songs aren't pleasant to the ears in a church of any size. One less "special" means there's room for one more hymn.
 
Huk said:
I think the same could be said for a handful of preachers I’ve heard over the years, particularly when a church allows a younger “preacher boy” the opportunity to gain some experience. Like any vocation, you learn by experience, and it’s not always pretty in the beginning 😬
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It's odd how often this attitude seems to obtain in churches, where we wouldn't tolerate it in any other profession. That's the point of 2 Tim. 2:15: the man of God has no need to be ashamed, because he has been well trained in the use of his tools, tested, and proved himself. We wouldn't approve if a med student was left in charge of the town hospital.
 
aleshanee said:
i agree.... imagine going to the dentist or being prepped for surgery only to look up and see an unfamiliar face holding the medical instruments...... then hearing your regular dentist or doctor tell you this new guy is going to work on you today because he needs the experience........ christians are always saying they believe Gods work is the most important work of all.... . then why don;t they treat it that way?.....
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Medical students have an opportunity to gain experience in medical school and in residency afterwards. Bible/theology college majors don’t always afford the opportunity to “practice” without going in front of a congregation and preaching the Word of God. Doing a “practice sermon” in a classroom in front of a professor and a handful of theology students isn’t the same as going in front of a congregation, preaching with cell phones going off, babies crying, and a bunch of strangers staring at you while following a sermon outline.
 
Ransom said:
It's odd how often this attitude seems to obtain in churches, where we wouldn't tolerate it in any other profession. That's the point of 2 Tim. 2:15: the man of God has no need to be ashamed, because he has been well trained in the use of his tools, tested, and proved himself. We wouldn't approve if a med student was left in charge of the town hospital.
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I’m sorry, but your attitude towards this strikes me as a Christian elitist. Most (conservative) Christian colleges just can’t give that real-world experience that Bible majors need without going in to the local, small churches and practicing. Maybe I’m completely wrong, admittedly having never preached a sermon. Hopefully Joe and Alayman can weigh in and correct me if I’m in error.
 
There is no spiritual gift of "music," unless it's in the gift of tongues by extension, like preaching is an extension of the gift of prophecy. Elevated even by that, music still remains the "least of the gifts."

I think if a church did away with instruments in Christian worship, a lot of the music debate would be moot. Instruments were brought into Christian worship through Romanism along with many other trappings of the Law.
 
Huk said:
I’m sorry, but your attitude towards this strikes me as a Christian elitist.
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As a general rule, we devote an hour or so per week for congregational worship. It's not elitist to suggest this one hour shouldn't be amateur hour.
Huk said:
Medical students have an opportunity to gain experience in medical school and in residency afterwards.
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And unless they are deemed fit by their instructors, those students in medical school won't be allowed to move on to residency and actually treat live patients--their medical practice will be limited to the classroom.

I'm saying the same should be true of ministers of the Gospel. Let them learn the necessary skills (such as theology, hermeneutics, and rhetoric) in the classroom. And when their skills have been tested by their professors, and they have passed the examination of the ordination board, proving they know how to properly use the tools of their profession (2 Tim. 2:15), then let them minister to the congregation. There might be missteps due to inexperience, but they're far less likely to result in spiritual malpractice that would incur the stricter judgment (James 3:1).
 
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