Reactions to Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage

[rsc2a]

Do you consider yourself part of the corporate body of Christ?

Do you consider me part of the corporate body of Christ?

Think... "corporately".... LOL.

That's above my pay grade. If people claim it, I treat them accordingly.

This goes against the very nature of a "corporate" mentality.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

That is the sin here in Romans, acting against the very nature of who God created you to be. In this case he seems to be addressing the idea of a same-sex sex act in which at least one of the two are not attracted to someone of the same sex; they just are not born that way.

Understood this way, it would be equally sinful for someone who is only attracted to someone of the same sex to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. It goes against their nature; they just weren’t born that way. Ironically, those telling LGBTQ folk that these verses mean they have to stop being LGBTQ folk are actually telling them to commit the very sin against which these verses warn, going against their nature. God has a wicked sense of humor.

It not nature as in BORN that way. Its nature in CREATED that way.

You see the same argument when you're own Master used the term "from the beginning". Which is exactly what Paul is teaching Romans 1:20.

Either way, sincerely make the argument yours...... .or stop being intellectually dishonest and pretend you accept what Paul's words as being inspired. You don't care if everything Paul said vanished from the face of the earth. This is very definition of being intellectually dishonest.

I don't accept Paul's words as being "God-breathed". He does have some good stuff though (I Corinthians 13, for example). Like with other authors, whether it be Philip Yancey, Joel Osteen, Martin Luther King, John Calvin, Thomas Merton, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, etc, I will agree with some stuff and disagree with others. All are equally "God-breathed" in that they aren't. But that doesn't mean I should throw out everything they mentioned because I don't accept everything they wrote.

So are you going to accept his argument as being true or are you going to reject it?

At this point, neither. I've not worked through all the hermeneutical viewpoints in which to feel comfortable landing on a particular view. But even if I did accept his argument, I would not take it as being authoritative as being from God, mandated to all peoples.

 

[rsc2a]

Here, maybe this will refresh your memory.

Romans 8

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Yes. You should read the introduction, finish the chapter, then keep reading if you actually want to understand the passage instead of simply having a proof text to beat people up with.

You can read the whole chapter and the whole book.  It will not change the Biblical fact that homosexuality is wicked!

So are pride, greed and gluttony. But you don't see "Christian" groups formed to attack people with those shortfalls. Are you kidding? Those are celebrated in churches across this great land.

Great point!  Pride, greed, and gluttony are not looked upon as healthy behavior.  People are not running around saying, "I am greedy and you will love me that way!"  Pride, greed, and gluttony are sins just as homosexuality is sin!!

Actually they are celebrated. Anyone poor deserves it. Capitalism was handed down by God. The rich must be blssed by their Creator. Pants on a funnel. Buffet lines. World's biggest whatever. Numbers, numbers, numbers.

Plenty of celebration of evil happening in our churches.

 

[RAIDER]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

 

[rsc2a]

That is the sin here in Romans, acting against the very nature of who God created you to be. In this case he seems to be addressing the idea of a same-sex sex act in which at least one of the two are not attracted to someone of the same sex; they just are not born that way.

Understood this way, it would be equally sinful for someone who is only attracted to someone of the same sex to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. It goes against their nature; they just weren’t born that way. Ironically, those telling LGBTQ folk that these verses mean they have to stop being LGBTQ folk are actually telling them to commit the very sin against which these verses warn, going against their nature. God has a wicked sense of humor.

It not nature as in BORN that way. Its nature in CREATED that way.

You see the same argument when you're own Master used the term "from the beginning". Which is exactly what Paul is teaching Romans 1:20.

Either way, sincerely make the argument yours...... .or stop being intellectually dishonest and pretend you accept what Paul's words as being inspired. You don't care if everything Paul said vanished from the face of the earth. This is very definition of being intellectually dishonest.

I don't accept Paul's words as being "God-breathed". He does have some good stuff though (I Corinthians 13, for example). Like with other authors, whether it be Philip Yancey, Joel Osteen, Martin Luther King, John Calvin, Thomas Merton, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, etc, I will agree with some stuff and disagree with others. All are equally "God-breathed" in that they aren't. But that doesn't mean I should throw out everything they mentioned because I don't accept everything they wrote.

So are you going to accept his argument as being true or are you going to reject it?

At this point, neither. I've not worked through all the hermeneutical viewpoints in which to feel comfortable landing on a particular view. But even if I did accept his argument, I would not take it as being authoritative as being from God, mandated to all peoples.

Based on his argument, the drunk is sinning by refusing to drink, the adulterer by remaining faithful, and the violent by not beating the tar out of others.

 

[Least of These]

Weeping doesn't prove anything.

I understand that you can't see any difference in the conflict that comes from being a gay Christian & feeling bad for stealing a pack of gum from Walmart.  May your live always be so blessed. 

 

[Bruh]

Desires for things God has forbidden are a reflection of how sin has distorted me, not how God has made me.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

OK. Since the Bible does provide a positive example of polygamy, are you supportive of multiple wives and concubinage?

 

[praise_yeshua]

That is the sin here in Romans, acting against the very nature of who God created you to be. In this case he seems to be addressing the idea of a same-sex sex act in which at least one of the two are not attracted to someone of the same sex; they just are not born that way.

Understood this way, it would be equally sinful for someone who is only attracted to someone of the same sex to have sex with someone of the opposite sex. It goes against their nature; they just weren’t born that way. Ironically, those telling LGBTQ folk that these verses mean they have to stop being LGBTQ folk are actually telling them to commit the very sin against which these verses warn, going against their nature. God has a wicked sense of humor.

It not nature as in BORN that way. Its nature in CREATED that way.

You see the same argument when you're own Master used the term "from the beginning". Which is exactly what Paul is teaching Romans 1:20.

Either way, sincerely make the argument yours...... .or stop being intellectually dishonest and pretend you accept what Paul's words as being inspired. You don't care if everything Paul said vanished from the face of the earth. This is very definition of being intellectually dishonest.

I don't accept Paul's words as being "God-breathed". He does have some good stuff though (I Corinthians 13, for example). Like with other authors, whether it be Philip Yancey, Joel Osteen, Martin Luther King, John Calvin, Thomas Merton, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, etc, I will agree with some stuff and disagree with others. All are equally "God-breathed" in that they aren't. But that doesn't mean I should throw out everything they mentioned because I don't accept everything they wrote.

So are you going to accept his argument as being true or are you going to reject it?

At this point, neither. I've not worked through all the hermeneutical viewpoints in which to feel comfortable landing on a particular view. But even if I did accept his argument, I would not take it as being authoritative as being from God, mandated to all peoples.

Exactly. Then you should leave Romans 1 out of it.

 

[rsc2a]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

OK. Since the Bible does provide a positive example of polygamy, are you supportive of multiple wives and concubinage?

Looking at the entirety of Scripture, one would have a very difficult time making an argument for polygamy.

 

[RAIDER]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

OK. Since the Bible does provide a positive example of polygamy, are you supportive of multiple wives and concubinage?

Not homosexual ones.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Weeping doesn't prove anything.

I understand that you can't see any difference in the conflict that comes from being a gay Christian & feeling bad for stealing a pack of gum from Walmart.  May your live always be so blessed.

I never said there wasn't a difference. You're ignoring their similarities!!! Are you giving up or sticking around?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

OK. Since the Bible does provide a positive example of polygamy, are you supportive of multiple wives and concubinage?

Looking at the entirety of Scripture, one would have a very difficult time making an argument for polygamy.

The same can be said of homosexuality...... that never stopped anyone from doing it.

 

[IFB X-Files]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ajfhdzDCM#t=115

 

[Bruh]

Our culture: “Express yourself.”
Our Savior: “Deny yourself.”

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Isn't it amazing.....

I hear it all the time. One argument homosexuals make is.... I didn't have a choice...... the same homosexual will then say..... its my choice...... Then it changes from choice to my "right". Which really stems from a choice.

You can't get to the truth with someone that does this. No matter what you say..... the story is always changing to benefit the "story teller"!!!

Is there a positive example in the Scriptures of homosexuals?

Is there a positive example of polygamy? 

Not a homosexual one.

OK. Since the Bible does provide a positive example of polygamy, are you supportive of multiple wives and concubinage?

Looking at the entirety of Scripture, one would have a very difficult time making an argument for polygamy.

In it's entirety, I completely agree with you. At times I argue with my Evangelical friends that I choose not to have a biblical marriage but rather a monogamous one.

But since we want to hold others to our personal standard of limited passages, let's hear it for the Mormons!

And I (God) gave you (David) your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Our culture: “Express yourself.”
Our Savior: “Deny yourself.”

So which happens between the sheets?

(Never mind. The question is rhetorical.) 

 

[Least of These]

I never said there wasn't a difference. You're ignoring their similarities!!! Are you giving up or sticking around?

Giving up.    I understand your beliefs, I honestly do - I was raised with them myself.  I just came to believe differently.  I thought maybe there was something you were taught as "Biblical truth" at one point but eventually came to view differently.  I see I was wrong.  I surrender! 

 

[Bruh]

Plasms 2

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.