Real Church

[Recovering IFB]

I knew that pic would bring the pastors out of the woodwork to defend their phony baloney jobs.

Dude, I don't need to defend my job. In fact, if someone else showed up today that wanted it I would probably give it to him.

#clueless

Tom, I'm not being argumentative, but why do you do it then?

 

[subllibrm]

Three posters have spoken up to defend their salaries.  I see  another coach hand bag for the misses this Christmas.

I know several men who pastor without compensation. That doesn't make them any more or less pastors.

Not every pastor needs a salary.  For some, being the constant center of attention is enough.

Wow, you must be a pastor!

Bam!!!

And he is always right! 

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Saw this on Facebook. 

And everyone looks a little stupid sitting in the dining room with their back to the table.

 

[prophet]

I am trying to find the whole raised platform everybody faces in the Epistles, or Acts.

Seems as though something with so general a consensus, would be Scripture based, right?

Of course, if we invent a ficticious church-king, we ought to give him a throne.

Earnestly Contend.

 

[Citadel of Truth]

I am trying to find the whole raised platform everybody faces in the Epistles, or Acts.

Why just in the epistles or in Acts?

"And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people, for he was standing above all the people; and when he opened it, all the people stood up." Nehemiah 8:5

"And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him." Matthew 5:1

[He went up into a mountain] That he might have the greater advantage of speaking, so as to be heard by that great concourse of people which followed him. Adam Clarke

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Having the speaker on a platform is beneficial to the congregation not for the self-promotion of the speaker.

I suppose you're against plastering the speaker on the big screens too, huh? (I'm being facetious; I don't care for that myself)

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Citadel of Truth]"And seeing the multitudes, He went up on a mountain, and when He was seated His disciples came to Him." Matthew 5:1

[He went up into a mountain] That he might have the greater advantage of speaking, so as to be heard by that great concourse of people which followed him. Adam Clarke[/quote]

Or the writer was deliberately evoking Moses.

[quote author=Citadel of Truth] It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.[/quote]

I don't see that as a preference anywhere.  He actually seemed to have a habit of sitting down before He chatted as was the custom of the culture.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

I am trying to find the whole raised platform everybody faces in the Epistles, or Acts.

Seems as though something with so general a consensus, would be Scripture based, right?

Of course, if we invent a ficticious church-king, we ought to give him a throne.

Earnestly Contend.

Acoustics and visibility.

If you insist in looking in the scriptures for where to stand when you preach, let me ask when the last time wast hat you pushed off from shore in a borrowed boat to speak.

 

[Ransom]

I am trying to find the whole raised platform everybody faces in the Epistles, or Acts.

Seems as though something with so general a consensus, would be Scripture based, right?

I see . . . so if a purpose-built church building is designed for optimum acoustics and sight lines, the rationale for that has to be based an explicit mention found only in a limited section of the Bible, rather than on good architectural practice in the design of public auditoria?

This thread is truly stupid. "Real church" is not defined by the arrangement of chairs or the level of the floor, but on whether the church faithfully follows the form and function of a local assembly as found in the New Testament.

 

[Citadel of Truth]

He [Jesus] actually seemed to have a habit of sitting down before He chatted as was the custom of the culture.

I have no problem at all with this. In fact, I prefer it.

 

[Ransom]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

 

[bgwilkinson]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

Every preacher likes a nice raised pulpit so everyone can see him.

They love to be above the people.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

Every preacher likes a nice raised pulpit so everyone can see him.

They love to be above the people.

lol. K, in this case it would be cheaper to slope the floor.

 

[bgwilkinson]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

Every preacher likes a nice raised pulpit so everyone can see him.

They love to be above the people.

lol. K, in this case it would be cheaper to slope the floor.

I think the amphitheater style building makes the most sense for large called-out assemblies.

 

[Ransom]

In traditional Protestant church architecture, the centrality of the pulpit is symbolic of the centrality of the Word preached to the corporate worship service.

Contrast a traditonal Roman Catholic church, where the pulpit (ambo) is off to the left, because the altar and the sacraments have the central position.

Elevating the pulpit in either case is, of course, a practical necessity if the sermon is to be heard clearly.

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

Every preacher likes a nice raised pulpit so everyone can see him.

They love to be above the people.

lol. K, in this case it would be cheaper to slope the floor.

I think the amphitheater style building makes the most sense for large called-out assemblies.

Perhaps, if money is no object. Ask yourself the cost of building an ampitheatre as opposed to a building with 12-16' ceilings and a raised platform at the front.

 

[BALAAM]

It seems that Jesus' preference when speaking to the people was to be elevated above them. Granted, to be heard more easily, but I have no doubt that this has influenced our custom today.

Other way round, probably. Jesus would be seen and heard by everyone if he stood at the bottom of the slope and the people were above him. There's a reason ampitheatres are shaped like bowls, instead of hills with the stage at the highest point and the seats sloping away from it.

Agreed, but they are far more expensive to build. Raising the speaker means a structure to support one or a few. Some churches combined the effect by sloping the floor and raising the speaker.

Every preacher likes a nice raised pulpit so everyone can see him.

They love to be above the people.

I'm sure glad schaap didn't see this one 6 years ago before he had his built.

 

[Recovering IFB]

it worked for father mapple.....



too bad captain ahab missed that sermon......  :-\

www.youtubeq.com/watch?v=qb-g4O2QDZg#]The sermon on Jonah from Moby Dick[/url]

He had bigger fish to fry.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

In traditional Protestant church architecture, the centrality of the pulpit is symbolic of the centrality of the Word preached to the corporate worship service.

Contrast a traditonal Roman Catholic church, where the pulpit (ambo) is off to the left, because the altar and the sacraments have the central position.

Elevating the pulpit in either case is, of course, a practical necessity if the sermon is to be heard clearly.

Because this bears repeating.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

In traditional Protestant church architecture, the centrality of the pulpit is symbolic of the centrality of the Word preached to the corporate worship service.

Contrast a traditonal Roman Catholic church, where the pulpit (ambo) is off to the left, because the altar and the sacraments have the central position.

Elevating the pulpit in either case is, of course, a practical necessity if the sermon is to be heard clearly.

Because this bears repeating.

Because this bears repeating:  Show me the scriptural support for the purpose of an assembly being a silent, passive laity listening to a sermon by a single pastor/preacher/orator.