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John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.





Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
 
Whosoever is 5' 6" tall or taller can ride this ride. 

Obviously, your height is a choice. 
 
The Rogue Tomato said:
Whosoever is 5' 6" tall or taller can ride this ride. 

Obviously, your height is a choice.


Your comparing apples to oranges.
 
Biblebeliever said:

John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.





Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Please define Calvinism.

I do not mean telling me the words attached to tulip.

Gave an explanation, please.
 
Biblebeliever said:

John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)



2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.





Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Idiot alert!.  And I am not even a Calvinist
 
Biblebeliever said:
So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Tired of your satanic system of Calvinism? Come join our satanic system of KJV-onlyism!
 
Bibleburner does nothing but hitch his anti-Calvinist wagon to a false definition of "whosoever" - a word which simply means, "those who."

"Whosoever" sounds more impressive, and because it's a "Bible word" (instead of an ordinary, modern-English word), the intellectually dishonest can sneak in all sorts of connotations about human autonomy and free will.

On the other hand, "Those who believe shall have eternal life" clearly says nothing, one way or the other, about any given person's ability or inclination to believe. (Which is why as Calvinists we believe the rest of the Bible, and don't allow the "whosoevers" to trump it.
 
Refute?  You might try understanding Calvinism (or even the Bible) before you try refuting both of them.
 
BandGuy said:
Refute?  You might try understanding Calvinism (or even the Bible) before you try refuting both of them.
Excellent. You equate Calvinism with Bilblicity. Which version of Calvinism?
 
aleshanee said:
The Rogue Tomato said:
Whosoever is 5' 6" tall or taller can ride this ride. 

Obviously, your height is a choice.

that;s why i;ve never been to disney land....  :( ... even at the boardwalk in santa cruz they wouldn;t let me on the scary rides....  >:( ... i remember being pretty upset about that.... especially when i saw them let a guy just a little taller than me but 3 times as wide into the line..... i told the operator that in addition to the height measuring poster they should have 2 vertical poles planted in the ground..... and anyone who can;t squeeze their fat butt between those poles can;t get on the ride......  >:(

he wasn;t amused...........

....... but i take heart knowing God is not a carnival operator....  8)


by the way... according to hawaii state law i;m still supposed to be sitting in a booster seat to ride in a car....... meanwhile people drive with dogs in their lap and almost run over me in a cross walk coz fido is blocking their view of the intersection......  >:( ....... ..... i think am going to start my own advocacy group.....justice for short people......  8)

have you been standing in holes again? ;)
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
Refute?  You might try understanding Calvinism (or even the Bible) before you try refuting both of them.
Excellent. You equate Calvinism with Bilblicity. Which version of Calvinism?

The version taught by Scripture of course.  Weren't you paying attention?  :D
 
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else. 
 
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.

Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
 
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.

Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.

Sure it does. There is absolutely no flavor of Calvinism that teaches anything differently. NONE. There is no flavor of Calvinism that does not believe in Double Predestination. NONE. You can talk around it all you want. Its always the same result. Always.
 
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.

All such statements are nothing more than "fluff". Its an attempt to pin a rose on a turd. Ultimately they all believe in "I" for only some "elect" chosen in Eternity past. Non sense. Total fabricated non sense.

 
christundivided said:
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.

All such statements are nothing more than "fluff". Its an attempt to pin a rose on a turd.
Agreed, perhaps not my choice of words, but agreed. IMHO, best book I have read on the topic, "What Love is His " by Dave Hunt.
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.

Would you please explain to me what this "...inability of the will" is that Spurgeon speaks of?  What does that term mean?  Thanks.
 
BandGuy said:
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.

Would you please explain to me what this "...inability of the will" is that Spurgeon speaks of?  What does that term mean?  Thanks.
Well, as I understand it, not that I believe it, it is the way a Calvinist defines the depravity of man. Orthodox theology says man is depraved, it is described as total depravity. We are all depraved, to the extent that we are all capable of depraved acts.

Calvinism takes this a step further. Calvinism states that mans depravity extends so far that he is unable, he has an inability of the will to even respond to God. As a result, God must save him without his will, as he has no will to respond. The doctrine of Total Depravity becomes practically the doctrine of Total Inability
 
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
ItinerantPreacher said:
BandGuy said:
christundivided said:
I absolutely abhor every flavor of Calvinism that exists. All of them end up with the same result. They make people believe that there some predetermined "destiny" for every human that has ever walked the face of this earth. A destiny that is beyond their ability to choose. Parse the words every how you want to parse them.... it always ends up with the same result. Always.

Yet, this moron would be better off just replying the voices in his head.... than trying to express a coherent thought anywhere else.


Everything you said is absolutely correct except for the part where it is beyond our ability to choose.  Calvinism doesn't teach that.
Huh. Spurgeon thought so.
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/5points.htm
What Presbyterians really mean by terms such as "Original Sin," "Total Depravity," and "Inability of the Will" is defined by our Confession of Faith, Chapter 10, Section 3: "Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man being altogether averse from that good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto."

See, this is why I asked you which version of Calvinism.

Would you please explain to me what this "...inability of the will" is that Spurgeon speaks of?  What does that term mean?  Thanks.
Well, as I understand it, not that I believe it, it is the way a Calvinist defines the depravity of man. Orthodox theology says man is depraved, it is described as total depravity. We are all depraved, to the extent that we are all capable of depraved acts.

Calvinism takes this a step further. Calvinism states that mans depravity extends so far that he is unable, he has an inability of the will to even respond to God. As a result, God must save him without his will, as he has no will to respond. The doctrine of Total Depravity becomes practically the doctrine of Total Inability

Calvinism ignores the work of the Gospel. The Gospel is the bridge between the heavenly and the earthly. No one believes the natural man can understand the spiritual aspects of the sacrifice of God. BUT... .any man can respond to the message of the Gospel. The plain simple truth that a person DIED for them. A man took their guilt and punishment for them. This is isn't rock science.... nor is it beyond any person to embrace. Christ didn't die in a spiritual "test tube" where only the elect can see and respond. He died openly.... among all of humanity.

Act 17:27  That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
 
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