Revival sermons.... repeat after repeat.

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Says the guy who lied by accusing a famous pastor of plagiarizing a sermon without evidence, then lied again and changed the subject to the title of the sermon when called on the first lie.
It wasn't just the title of the sermon. The context of the sermon was based upon the man made rhyme "Payday Someday". He never "coined the phrase". Anyone with any common sense knows better.

You're the one draw distinctions here.
 

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A little late to the revival meeting here, folks, but Bro. Hyles would have his secretary keep track of which sermons he preached where. When going on his weekly preaching outings he would receive a list of ebery sermon he had preached within 100 mikes of where he was going. One time the Christian school teachers were at a seminar type setting where Bro, Hyles was invited. We were.... wait for it.... 120 miles awayfrom our church. Guess what he preached.... yes, a sermon he had preached at our church. The icing on the cake was when he came to an illustration on depending on God for ability to sing. He picked the same lady he had at our church.
So you were blessed twice. Go ahead. Admit it. There is no shame.
 

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The context of the sermon was based upon the man made rhyme "Payday Someday".
As opposed to rhymes that occur in nature?

Just admit you were wrong, and move on. It's got to be a far better alternative to deliberately sounding ridiculous.
 

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As opposed to rhymes that occur in nature?

Just admit you were wrong, and move on. It's got to be a far better alternative to deliberately sounding ridiculous.
You can listen to the mockingjay all you want. I know the source. Such things come from the carnal minds of men.

Selective commentary. I'm not wrong about the subject matter of this thread. You can question my comments on R.G. Lee if you desire and reject them. That is just a small piece of what I've said on the subject.
 

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Selective commentary. I'm not wrong about the subject matter of this thread. You can question my comments on R.G. Lee if you desire and reject them. That is just a small piece of what I've said on the subject.
So you admit you were lying or did not know what you were talking about on the small piece, but we are supposed to believe you on the big picture. Your case is made or dismantled by the pieces that make it up.
 

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Selective commentary. I'm not wrong about the subject matter of this thread. You can question my comments on R.G. Lee if you desire and reject them. That is just a small piece of what I've said on the subject.
You sound like Gail Riplinger's sycophants. Sure, she may be wrong in every detail, but you can't deny that her overall conclusions are correct.
 

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You sound like Gail Riplinger's sycophants. Sure, she may be wrong in every detail, but you can't deny that her overall conclusions are correct.
Her conclusions are incorrect and she is wrong on most details.
 

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Her conclusions are incorrect and she is wrong on most details.
See your getting it there. If the details can't be proven or are incorrect, than the conclusions are without merit.
 

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See your getting it there. If the details can't be proven or are incorrect, than the conclusions are without merit.
Hey! That's my argument that you just stole, plagiarist!
 

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You sound like Biden.

I know you're not like Biden. Just like you know I'm nothing like Riplinger.
Got a few assumptions going here. I'm sure Treasure can back them up just as well as all of his other baseless arguments.
 

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I did mention others. Your request was vague. I could have assumed you meant R.G. Lee but I would have been accused of assuming something.

As far as "Payday Someday"..... I mean seriously. Do you enjoy such things yourself?

I have very little doubt that he heard the phrase somewhere else. I once took pleasure in "my abilities to turn a phrase"..... but I realized this world is full of creative people. It becomes more about my ability than what is actually being said.
As to Payday Someday preachers all over the country scheduled R.G. Lee months in advance to have him preach that sermon. Yes 10,000's of church members did enjoy hearing it.

As to your premise of using common phrases and sermon titles, it happens all the time by mistake. Two people can have the same thought or idea without ever hearing each other. I have had a thought during a sermon completely unrelated to what was being preached and mention it to a close friend after the service and he have the same basic thought written down in his sermon notes. Since we had not talked which of us stole the idea from the other. Maybe the Holy Spirit spoke to both of us or maybe shared experances provoked the same idea word for word.

Over a lifetime preachers hear many sermons. More today with access to podcasts and sermon archives online. Ideas get repeated over and over and that is how it suppose to be. Paul said "For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard".

Remember, generally we all use the same Bible and pray to the same God and hope to be directed by the same Holy Spirit. We will have some of the same ideas and that is healthy.

Furthermore Jack Hyles and John Rice both invited everyone to use any material or ideas they preached if it would help their church. Hyles also said he was just a voice, repeating the lessons he had learned over a lifetime of study and what he had learned from those who went before him. Solomon said "there is no new thing under the sun" so be sure to give God the credit for any sermons you peach or and biblical ideas you teach.
 

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In regards to using someones elses outline, I see no problem with it as long as you do the work and add your own thoughts and illistrations.

As to using someones elses illistrations, the original author should always be credited and you should never tell a story as if it were your own.

As to preaching a sermon word for word, I think this should be avoided or the original preacher should always be credited.
 
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