Revival!

[Twisted]

Quick question for Tarheel Baptist: Has your church seen a surge in attendance directly due to this tent revival?


Thanks,

Billy

No, we have not.
But we were not a participating church in the meeting so we were not privy to helping follow up on the converts.

I would speculate that of the large number who were saved, many were children, and probably already attend a church.

That could also be true for the adults.  Not all, but many.

 

[subllibrm]

I think, however, that David Cloud makes valid points.

This not being one:

From the article:

Pastor Kenny Baldwin, who preached at the Burlington Tent Revival youth night (June 20), sang Big Daddy Weave?s ?Redeemed? at the 2014 Friends Conference at Crown Baptist College. He introduced the song by saying that in a service at his church he had asked his song leader to sing the song repeatedly because it ?touched so many people.? Regardless of whether or not the song ?touched? people,? it is a dangerous error for a fundamental Baptist preacher to promote Big Daddy Weave or any of the other CCM groups that have the same ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world church philosophy. They are thereby building bridges that many of the young people will certainly cross. In an interview for their 2008 album What Life Would Be Like, Mike Weaver of Big Daddy Weave said:

?We all grew up in church. That is awesome, and I?m thankful for it, but there is also some baggage that comes with that. We grew up hearing people talk about grace, but there seemed to be an unspoken law that said, ?but you also have to do this, this, this, this, and this.? Nobody ever said it out loud, but I saw how people who didn't do ?this, this, this, this, and this? were treated. Now truly, you will know a tree by its fruit, but that?s not grace. With What Life Would Be Like we are ripping up our old expectations to get to a place where we can receive the heart of God? (?Big Daddy Weave Bio,? 94fmthefish.com, n.d.).

The ?grace? that Big Daddy Weave and their friends in the contemporary Christian music scene preach is not the grace of Titus 2:12-15. They would have us believe that trying to live by a careful standard of holy living and preaching against worldliness is legalism, but that is heresy.

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Of course none of what he accused Mike Weaver of saying or thinking is present anywhere but in Mr. Cloud's imagination

The song in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzGAYNKDyIU

When you are done enjoying that one try this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKAN-nAsu8

BTW he also takes this group and tune to task.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWkz8fWzA4M

An ornery crank with nothing better to do but criticize everyone else.

 

[Walt]

I think, however, that David Cloud makes valid points.

This not being one:

From the article:

Pastor Kenny Baldwin, who preached at the Burlington Tent Revival youth night (June 20), sang Big Daddy Weave?s ?Redeemed? at the 2014 Friends Conference at Crown Baptist College. He introduced the song by saying that in a service at his church he had asked his song leader to sing the song repeatedly because it ?touched so many people.? Regardless of whether or not the song ?touched? people,? it is a dangerous error for a fundamental Baptist preacher to promote Big Daddy Weave or any of the other CCM groups that have the same ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world church philosophy. They are thereby building bridges that many of the young people will certainly cross. In an interview for their 2008 album What Life Would Be Like, Mike Weaver of Big Daddy Weave said:

?We all grew up in church. That is awesome, and I?m thankful for it, but there is also some baggage that comes with that. We grew up hearing people talk about grace, but there seemed to be an unspoken law that said, ?but you also have to do this, this, this, this, and this.? Nobody ever said it out loud, but I saw how people who didn't do ?this, this, this, this, and this? were treated. Now truly, you will know a tree by its fruit, but that?s not grace. With What Life Would Be Like we are ripping up our old expectations to get to a place where we can receive the heart of God? (?Big Daddy Weave Bio,? 94fmthefish.com, n.d.).

The ?grace? that Big Daddy Weave and their friends in the contemporary Christian music scene preach is not the grace of Titus 2:12-15. They would have us believe that trying to live by a careful standard of holy living and preaching against worldliness is legalism, but that is heresy.

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Of course none of what he accused Mike Weaver of saying or thinking is present anywhere but in Mr. Cloud's imagination

Are you saying that the quote from Mike Weaver is not accurate?

Do you deny that CCM groups have an ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world-church philosophy?

Do you deny that the Scripture tells us that the grace of God teaches us to live soberly, righteously, and godly, denying worldliness and ungodly lusts?

 

[subllibrm]

I think, however, that David Cloud makes valid points.

This not being one:

From the article:

Pastor Kenny Baldwin, who preached at the Burlington Tent Revival youth night (June 20), sang Big Daddy Weave?s ?Redeemed? at the 2014 Friends Conference at Crown Baptist College. He introduced the song by saying that in a service at his church he had asked his song leader to sing the song repeatedly because it ?touched so many people.? Regardless of whether or not the song ?touched? people,? it is a dangerous error for a fundamental Baptist preacher to promote Big Daddy Weave or any of the other CCM groups that have the same ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world church philosophy. They are thereby building bridges that many of the young people will certainly cross. In an interview for their 2008 album What Life Would Be Like, Mike Weaver of Big Daddy Weave said:

?We all grew up in church. That is awesome, and I?m thankful for it, but there is also some baggage that comes with that. We grew up hearing people talk about grace, but there seemed to be an unspoken law that said, ?but you also have to do this, this, this, this, and this.? Nobody ever said it out loud, but I saw how people who didn't do ?this, this, this, this, and this? were treated. Now truly, you will know a tree by its fruit, but that?s not grace. With What Life Would Be Like we are ripping up our old expectations to get to a place where we can receive the heart of God? (?Big Daddy Weave Bio,? 94fmthefish.com, n.d.).

The ?grace? that Big Daddy Weave and their friends in the contemporary Christian music scene preach is not the grace of Titus 2:12-15. They would have us believe that trying to live by a careful standard of holy living and preaching against worldliness is legalism, but that is heresy.

*******************************

Of course none of what he accused Mike Weaver of saying or thinking is present anywhere but in Mr. Cloud's imagination

Are you saying that the quote from Mike Weaver is not accurate?

Do you deny that CCM groups have an ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world-church philosophy?

Do you deny that the Scripture tells us that the grace of God teaches us to live soberly, righteously, and godly, denying worldliness and ungodly lusts?

I am saying that I do not see the "sin" in Mr. Weaver's quote that Mr. Cloud imagines is there.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I think, however, that David Cloud makes valid points.

This not being one:

From the article:

Pastor Kenny Baldwin, who preached at the Burlington Tent Revival youth night (June 20), sang Big Daddy Weave?s ?Redeemed? at the 2014 Friends Conference at Crown Baptist College. He introduced the song by saying that in a service at his church he had asked his song leader to sing the song repeatedly because it ?touched so many people.? Regardless of whether or not the song ?touched? people,? it is a dangerous error for a fundamental Baptist preacher to promote Big Daddy Weave or any of the other CCM groups that have the same ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world church philosophy. They are thereby building bridges that many of the young people will certainly cross. In an interview for their 2008 album What Life Would Be Like, Mike Weaver of Big Daddy Weave said:

?We all grew up in church. That is awesome, and I?m thankful for it, but there is also some baggage that comes with that. We grew up hearing people talk about grace, but there seemed to be an unspoken law that said, ?but you also have to do this, this, this, this, and this.? Nobody ever said it out loud, but I saw how people who didn't do ?this, this, this, this, and this? were treated. Now truly, you will know a tree by its fruit, but that?s not grace. With What Life Would Be Like we are ripping up our old expectations to get to a place where we can receive the heart of God? (?Big Daddy Weave Bio,? 94fmthefish.com, n.d.).

The ?grace? that Big Daddy Weave and their friends in the contemporary Christian music scene preach is not the grace of Titus 2:12-15. They would have us believe that trying to live by a careful standard of holy living and preaching against worldliness is legalism, but that is heresy.

*******************************

Of course none of what he accused Mike Weaver of saying or thinking is present anywhere but in Mr. Cloud's imagination

Are you saying that the quote from Mike Weaver is not accurate?

Do you deny that CCM groups have an ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world-church philosophy?

Do you deny that the Scripture tells us that the grace of God teaches us to live soberly, righteously, and godly, denying worldliness and ungodly lusts?

The quote is accurate, but does it actually mean what Cloud interprets it to mean?
Do you/we know the life styles of 'CCM groups'?
Are they all identical, interchangeable? That's akin to saying that all baptists are identical to David cloud.

And I certainly don't deny that we are to live righteously....but is david cloud or his ilk the arbiters of what that entails in daily living?

 

[Ransom]

Are you saying that the quote from Mike Weaver is not accurate?

The conclusion Cloud draws does not appear to follow from the quote.

Do you deny that CCM groups have an ecumenical, non-judgmental, one-world-church philosophy?

Dunno. Unlike David Cloud (and you, apparently), I don't assume "CCM groups" think exactly alike.

Do you deny that the Scripture tells us that the grace of God teaches us to live soberly, righteously, and godly, denying worldliness and ungodly lusts?

Does the quote you bolded deny this? Because if it did, I didn't see it.

Cloud isn't really making an argument. He's just saying what he would have said anyway.

 

[T-Bone]

I will just add that Cloud is an idiot Pharisee. He generalizes from his own corrupt imagination.  So as not to fall in that same trap when it comes to IFB...I am trying to be specific to him!

 

[Twisted]

I will just add that Cloud is an idiot Pharisee. He generalizes from his own corrupt imagination.  So as not to fall in that same trap when it comes to IFB...I am trying to be specific to him!

So....does this mean you won't have him in for a meeting?

 

[T-Bone]

I will just add that Cloud is an idiot Pharisee. He generalizes from his own corrupt imagination.  So as not to fall in that same trap when it comes to IFB...I am trying to be specific to him!

So....does this mean you won't have him in for a meeting?

Uh, let me think on that a moment.... nope!

 

[prophet]

I will just add that Cloud is an idiot Pharisee. He generalizes from his own corrupt imagination.  So as not to fall in that same trap when it comes to IFB...I am trying to be specific to him!

So....does this mean you won't have him in for a meeting?

Uh, let me think on that a moment.... nope!

He's a one-track pony, so....

You only need to hear him once in a lifetime.

earnestly contend

 

[subllibrm]

This bears repeating. CCM and IFB are both pretty much useless terms for the purpose of clearly defining anything.