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Tarheel Baptist said:
Sub just can’t control himself as to his TDS.
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Not even a Trump issue. I said last year that the Republicans have no interest in eliminating abortion. It's their election strategy cash cow. The same was true way back when Reagan pretended he cared about the issue and all of them since.

I do appreciate that the Bee takes on this type of thing regardless of party.
 
subllibrm said:
Republicans have no interest in eliminating abortion.
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...at the federal level, and neither should they. It wasn't a federal issue before Roe v Wade. It shouldn't be afterward...

...or is this your attempt to exercise your religion through politics? :unsure:
 
Ekklesian said:
...at the federal level, and neither should they. It wasn't a federal issue before Roe v Wade. It shouldn't be afterward...

...or is this your attempt to exercise your religion through politics? :unsure:
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They apparently have no problem funding it at the federal level. 😉
 
Ekklesian said:
...at the federal level, and neither should they. It wasn't a federal issue before Roe v Wade. It shouldn't be afterward..
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Which makes it easier for them to hide their true position on the issue.
 
Ekklesian said:
...or is this your attempt to exercise your religion through politics? :unsure:
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It never should have been a political issue. It's a moral issue that should be dealt with as a moral issue. The church spent any respect and credibility she may have had when she adopted politics as the answer to a spiritual problem.

The left progressive liberal church did the same thing by placing the government in the position of the provider of all needs. Both sides removed the need for spiritual answers to the issues of life. Neither can claim any spiritual revival that arose from their policy positions. The left cares no more about the souls of the hungry than the right cares about the souls of illegal immigrants (or "black trannies").
 
Ekklesian said:
...at the federal level, and neither should they. It wasn't a federal issue before Roe v Wade. It shouldn't be afterward...
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Just like slavery. Perhaps the Supreme Court should abolish the 13th Amendment and return the legalization of slavery to the states. Heaven forbid the federal government outlaw a gross violation of human rights nationwide.
 
subllibrm said:
It never should have been a political issue. It's a moral issue that should be dealt with as a moral issue. The church spent any respect and credibility she may have had when she adopted politics as the answer to a spiritual problem.

The left progressive liberal church did the same thing by placing the government in the position of the provider of all needs. Both sides removed the need for spiritual answers to the issues of life. Neither can claim any spiritual revival that arose from their policy positions. The left cares no more about the souls of the hungry than the right cares about the souls of illegal immigrants (or "black trannies").
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All political issues are moral issues.
 
Ransom said:
Just like slavery. Perhaps the Supreme Court should abolish the 13th Amendment and return the legalization of slavery to the states. Heaven forbid the federal government outlaw a gross violation of human rights nationwide.
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Glad to see that you see the legitimacy of using 'the sword' to impose Christian morality.

What do you think, Sub?
 
Ekklesian said:
Glad to see that you see the legitimacy of using 'the sword' to impose Christian morality.
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You mean the way the federal government uses the sword to impose Christian morality with respect to, say, murder, theft, or kidnapping? No, I have no problem with that. So let's add abortion to the list; murder's already a federal crime anyway, so it's not a stretch.
 
Ekklesian said:
...at the federal level, and neither should they. It wasn't a federal issue before Roe v Wade. It shouldn't be afterward...

...or is this your attempt to exercise your religion through politics? :unsure:
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Ransom said:
Just like slavery. Perhaps the Supreme Court should abolish the 13th Amendment and return the legalization of slavery to the states. Heaven forbid the federal government outlaw a gross violation of human rights nationwide.
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I'll chime in here.

Slavery was a hotly debated issue even at the inception of our country and those who (rightly) opposed slavery were well aware that this was an issue that they could not win at the time so concessions were made with the hope that things would later change through constitutional amendments.

In my opinion, the chattel slavery of Africans is completely different from the slavery we find in the scriptures and the scriptures don't even defend the slavery that existed during the time that the respective passages were written. It simply acknowledged its existence and gave guidance as to how a believer was to conduct themselves in a sinful, fallen world. Chattel slavery is indefensible from a scriptural standpoint.

It was only when the majority of Americans believed that slavery was wrong that the lawmakers were able to draft and pass the 13th amendment abolishing slavery.

And herein is the punchline! Abortion is murder and an abomination in God's eyes and God's people ought to oppose this practice and fight for the unborn! However, you cannot write a law outlawing abortion until the vast majority of Americans agree that abortion is murder and will put their money where their mouth is by voting for a constitutional amendment stating such.

Moderate Repuplicans are therefore right to acknowledge this. President Trump and Conservative Republicans (such as myself) should find it best to focus their attention on battles they have the best chance of winning. We ultimately want abortion to be abolished and abolishing Roe vs. Wade is a good start. It is one I thought I would never see in my lifetime!

Here in Texas, we have been able to pass laws that severely limit abortions so I will take this as a victory. Some states have been able to restrict the abominable practice even more than we have so I rejoice in this as well.
 
Ransom said:
You mean the way the federal government uses the sword to impose Christian morality with respect to, say, murder, theft, or kidnapping? No, I have no problem with that. So let's add abortion to the list; murder's already a federal crime anyway, so it's not a stretch.
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Yes, exactly. And not only about those protections, but about who stands as a person entitled to those protections. Don't forget that the law of Moses stated that an Israelite's servant was his property, and if he was stricken so that he died, it wasn't the same as striking a free man. The Israelite was not to be put to death.

I'm not saying that justified slavery in the U.S., I'm just pointing out that the abolition of slavery is a wholly Christian concept.

We went to war over slavery. Would Sub the Virtuous take us to war over abortion?

Did Scott Roeder go too far defending innocent life?
 
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Baptist Renegade said:
It was only when the majority of Americans believed that slavery was wrong that the lawmakers were able to draft and pass the 13th amendment abolishing slavery.
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It was only when the majority of Americans believed that slavery was wrong...and after a war that still holds the record of killing the most Americans.
 
Ekklesian said:
We went to war over slavery. Would Sub the Virtuous take us to war over abortion?

Did Scott Roeder go too far defending innocent life?
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If you're going to frame it in terms of war, then yes. Roeder as an individual had no authority to declare war.

Outside of those terms, he had no authority to convict and execute George Tiller.

So he was a murderer and justly punished by the state.
 
Ransom said:
Just like slavery. Perhaps the Supreme Court should abolish the 13th Amendment and return the legalization of slavery to the states. Heaven forbid the federal government outlaw a gross violation of human rights nationwide.
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There you go again. Applying logic equally across various issues.

<sarcasm>

Great point.
 
If the moderate Republicans are concerned that they couldn't get the votes that doesn't explain why President Trump hasn't signed an executive order to stop funding PP. PBS/NPR made his hit list. And if he doesn't have the will to do it couldn't the DOGE team trim the fat?

Of course the whole point the Bee was making is that they really aren't interested in reducing abortion, let alone ending it. They never have been.
 
Ransom said:
If you're going to frame it in terms of war, then yes. Roeder as an individual had no authority to declare war.
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If you're going to frame abortion in terms of slavery...

Ransom said:
So he was a murderer and justly punished by the state.
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Were those who helped the slaves escape thieves? And were their punishments just?
 
subllibrm said:
Of course the whole point the Bee was making is that they really aren't interested in reducing abortion, let alone ending it. They never have been.
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That's simply not true.

But now that the issue has been turned over to the states, what are YOU doing? Oh...oh yeah. You vote. :rolleyes:
 
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