Should the Pastor Know Everything?

[Tim]

Should the pastor of a local Church know everything the trusties are working on?

Should they both work independent of each other?

Since the pastor isn't the CEO of the Church, I can see the argument where he should focus on prayer and studying and the trusties work on maintenance of the Church and property.

But. Logic tells me that someone needs to stay on top of things and keep people responsible.

But, should that be the pastor?

Is he paid to monitor everything? Should he know everything going on?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I'm pretty sure pastors already think they know everything.

 

[Ransom]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You're making the mistake many do. You can't take what happened in the early church among the apostles and apply it to church governance today. Paul is primarily responsible for the commandments that are followed today.

 

[Tim]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Are you upset that he didn't know and should have?

 

[Tim]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Are you upset that he didn't know and should have?

Not really. Just curious about the subject in general. How much should a pastor be involved. Specially in a smaller Church.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Are you upset that he didn't know and should have?

Not really. Just curious about the subject in general. How much should a pastor be involved. Specially in a smaller Church.

Pastors often take on too large a role. They should share duties with others. This is a sign of a good leader. I wouldn't consider a light being broken to be necessary knowledge. You could ask him to get involved. He can say yes or no. I suspect that he is at odd with them on the matter or he would probably have volunteered to find out.

 

[HeDied4U]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Are you upset that he didn't know and should have?

Not really. Just curious about the subject in general. How much should a pastor be involved. Specially in a smaller Church.

Pastors often take on too large a role. They should share duties with others. This is a sign of a good leader. I wouldn't consider a light being broken to be necessary knowledge. You could ask him to get involved. He can say yes or no. I suspect that he is at odd with them on the matter or he would probably have volunteered to find out.

+1

 

[Tim]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Are you upset that he didn't know and should have?

Not really. Just curious about the subject in general. How much should a pastor be involved. Specially in a smaller Church.

Pastors often take on too large a role. They should share duties with others. This is a sign of a good leader. I wouldn't consider a light being broken to be necessary knowledge. You could ask him to get involved. He can say yes or no. I suspect that he is at odd with them on the matter or he would probably have volunteered to find out.

You would think if Churches are running more like non-profits these day they would need a CEO to oversee the pastor, elders, deacons ... LOL

Keep them all in check.

 

[Ransom]

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

OK, maybe a little too specific. It would seem to me that if something breaks down, it would be prudent merely to repair it.

That said, is there not a budget for upkeep and repairs? A policy in place for how to carry them out (e.g. elders or staff with discretionary ability to hire electricians or whatever)? Even if the pastor doesn't need to be involved in the details of lightbulbs being changed or whatever, shouldn't he have some oversight over the budgetary process or setting those policies up?

 

[Tim]

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

OK, maybe a little too specific. It would seem to me that if something breaks down, it would be prudent merely to repair it.

That said, is there not a budget for upkeep and repairs? A policy in place for how to carry them out (e.g. elders or staff with discretionary ability to hire electricians or whatever)? Even if the pastor doesn't need to be involved in the details of lightbulbs being changed or whatever, shouldn't he have some oversight over the budgetary process or setting those policies up?

I guess what I am asking is should he walk to his car, in the dark, week after week with full trust in the trustees ... or should he say something? Not becasue he is concern like the average member, but because he is for lack of better words ... in charge.

I guess what I should have said in the opening comments ... should everyone be accountable to the pastor, and should he hold everyone accountable, regarding the affairs of the Church.

In the corporate world - eventually my manager will asks me about tasks left undone.

 

[FSSL]

We need better soap in our bathroom.
Never mind... He fixed it

 

[Tim]

We need better soap in our bathroom.

You're lucky to have soap.  8)

 

[Bruh]

Should the pastor of a local Church know everything the trusties are working on?

Should they both work independent of each other?

Since the pastor isn't the CEO of the Church, I can see the argument where he should focus on prayer and studying and the trusties work on maintenance of the Church and property.

But. Logic tells me that someone needs to stay on top of things and keep people responsible.

But, should that be the pastor?

Is he paid to monitor everything? Should he know everything going on?

Yes.

I don't believe he should do everything but I believe he needs to be involved in everything.

Some things maybe once a month others weekly.

 

[BALAAM]

We need better soap in our bathroom.
Never mind... He fixed it

The toilet paper has been unusually coarse lately!

 

[Ransom]

I guess what I am asking is should he walk to his car, in the dark, week after week with full trust in the trustees ... or should he say something?

Oh good grief. If the pastor saw that the property was in need of repairs, why shouldn't he tell someone? Is some low-wage peon going to file a grievance because noticing burnt-out light bulbs is a union job?

My church employs a full-time property manager. If I saw damage or disrepair, I'd tell him. I wouldn't expect the pastors to do any differently.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Really depends on the church structure.  Some churches are not allowed to spend a penny without the pastor's approval.  Other churches are committee based and the grounds committee would be working on it.  Other churches would rely upon some member to just climb up there and fix it without bringing it up to anyone.

 

[Walt]

Pastors/elders/overseers are responsible for the moral and spiritual oversight of the church and its members. Under what specific circumstances would work done by the church not fall under their purview?

Parking lot lighting is broken - very dark at night. Issue is brought up, pastor says it isn't his job to be in the "know" regarding what the trusties have planned for the issue. He suggest reaching out to them.

Really depends on the church structure.  Some churches are not allowed to spend a penny without the pastor's approval.  Other churches are committee based and the grounds committee would be working on it.  Other churches would rely upon some member to just climb up there and fix it without bringing it up to anyone.

Routine maintenance (such as changing a light bulb) shouldn't need to be voted upon, unless the maintenance needed exceeds the budgeted amount.

 

[Bo]

no one could possibly know everything