Socialism Is Bad

From the comments:

"Again, Trump buying shares isn't not socialist, it's just nowhere near as socialist as Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education and the Science(/Military)-Industrial Complex, the DHS/TSA, etc., etc., etc. and even those aren't as socialist as overt "seize the means of production" by The Peoples' Democratic Socialist Party."

well said. I totally agree with you here. this is why i hate both Trump AND the Dems. there's no possible moral way for me to defend either of them.
 
From the comments:

"Again, Trump buying shares isn't not socialist, it's just nowhere near as socialist as Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education and the Science(/Military)-Industrial Complex, the DHS/TSA, etc., etc., etc. and even those aren't as socialist as overt "seize the means of production" by The Peoples' Democratic Socialist Party."

well said. I totally agree with you here. this is why i hate both Trump AND the Dems. there's no possible moral way for me to defend either of them.
Who did you vote for? I want to check out the policies of the one you voted for.
 
Who did you vote for? I want to check out the policies of the one you voted for.
That is THE question.
I’ve said repeatedly what I think of Trump. And don’t trust the Republicans as a whole. But with the complete lunacy of the Democrats our options are few.
In my opinion.
 
"It doesn’t take a PhD in advanced biblical hermeneutics to understand that, as Paul says, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

But it takes a rather sophisticated manipulation of Scripture to argue that the pursuit of so-called Christian ends somehow excuses the absence of spiritual fruit."

-Chuck DeGroat
 
From the comments:

"Again, Trump buying shares isn't not socialist, it's just nowhere near as socialist as Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, the Department of Education and the Science(/Military)-Industrial Complex, the DHS/TSA, etc., etc., etc. and even those aren't as socialist as overt "seize the means of production" by The Peoples' Democratic Socialist Party."

well said. I totally agree with you here. this is why i hate both Trump AND the Dems. there's no possible moral way for me to defend either of them.
While President Trump is trying to prevent voter fraud, the Democrats are arresting independent journalists and charging them with felonies for exposing voter fraud! You seem to have the delusional idea that only a man who is eligible to be the pastor of a church should be President of the United States. Donald Trump is a flawed man who is probably lost, but at least he has been a friend to Christians in this country and strongly opposes Communism. Can you be thankful for anything he has done? You are the one sounding like a Christian Nationalist by condemning any Christian who doesn’t vote for a perfect candidate. All you can do is condemn. You have yet to tell us the candidate you voted for. Were you lying about voting? Are you ashamed of who you voted for?


 
"It doesn’t take a PhD in advanced biblical hermeneutics to understand that, as Paul says, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

But it takes a rather sophisticated manipulation of Scripture to argue that the pursuit of so-called Christian ends somehow excuses the absence of spiritual fruit."

-Chuck DeGroat

Absence of spiritual fruit in…?
 
From the comments:

well said. I totally agree with you here. this is why i hate both Trump AND the Dems. there's no possible moral way for me to defend either of them.
The 1980s again... a few Christians wouldn't vote for Regan because he was "Hollywood," divorced and his wife was into spiritism... and THEN clean-cut Bill Clinton arrived and they voted for him... and then the clean and articulate Obama... how could Christians vote for Bush with alcoholism in his past.
 
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More from Chuck DeGroat:

"Does character matter in election season?

When we think of character, we often think of personal piety and right morals. But character is about the shape of a life—not merely our individual lives, but our life together.

When I consider character (as I do in my new book Who You’re Becoming), it’s anchored in a particular vision—the Beatitudes, the fruits of the Spirit, the humble, cruciform way of Jesus.

This vision ignited a community of faith and generosity in the early centuries of the church until Christians got hold of political power. And what happened then holds true for us today—when we lose this centering force of character, whether in our politics, our church life, or across various institutions, we shouldn’t expect anything other than the consolidation of power, the foment of division, the elevation of personality over substance, the intensification of image-management, and the loss of the common good and care for those furthest from the center of power—all things lamented by the Apostle Paul across his letters (see Rom. 12, for example).

That was the cost then. That is the cost today.

It strikes me that even in the early centuries of the church and as Rome had fallen into significant ruin, one of the greatest leaders and witnesses the church has ever seen—Pope Gregory the Great—counseled a return to character, to humility, to the servanthood of Jesus. The destruction around him was palpable—his daily work required him to face a once-great nation humbled, now in ashes—and yet, his vision was not anchored in making the empire great once again, rebuilding armies, or refilling the empty coffers. Rather, he pointed to Jesus as the way. Because in Jesus, weakness is strength, brokenness is courage, and peacemaking brings shalom for all of us.

I’m not convinced either party is anchored in this vision. But I do grieve who and what we’ve elevated in this last decade, which to me is a counterfeit and hollow hope. We’re seeing the cost of abandoning the way of Jesus again.

The way of Jesus was never about one issue. It was never about one Supreme Court ruling. And it certainly doesn’t rise or fall with emperors or Presidents. And I’m really grateful for that. But the people of God have a history of chasing things they can manufacture, control, and elevate—whether golden calves or earthly kings.

I sat with someone recently who was lamenting the hope he’d put in a political movement—a movement he thought would save Christianity, as was promised. He’s finding his way back to Jesus, back to the old stories, his words and his works, and the more noble way of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

“I’ve been really humbled by it all,” he told me. And maybe that’s the point. That, in the end, is how we grow up. And maybe, too, that’s how the very presence of Jesus is revealed today."

- Chuck DeGroat
 
DeGroat is a pacifist. His standards for political office would make sure he doesn't vote for anyone who ran for President
 
DeGroat is a pacifist. His standards for political office would make sure he doesn't vote for anyone who ran for President
for someone who claims to believe christians shouldn;t be involved in politics - he seems to be working very hard to help get politicians elected who want to destroy christians...... .
 
More from Chuck DeGroat:

"Does character matter in election season?

When we think of character, we often think of personal piety and right morals. But character is about the shape of a life—not merely our individual lives, but our life together.

When I consider character (as I do in my new book Who You’re Becoming), it’s anchored in a particular vision—the Beatitudes, the fruits of the Spirit, the humble, cruciform way of Jesus.

This vision ignited a community of faith and generosity in the early centuries of the church until Christians got hold of political power. And what happened then holds true for us today—when we lose this centering force of character, whether in our politics, our church life, or across various institutions, we shouldn’t expect anything other than the consolidation of power, the foment of division, the elevation of personality over substance, the intensification of image-management, and the loss of the common good and care for those furthest from the center of power—all things lamented by the Apostle Paul across his letters (see Rom. 12, for example).

That was the cost then. That is the cost today.

It strikes me that even in the early centuries of the church and as Rome had fallen into significant ruin, one of the greatest leaders and witnesses the church has ever seen—Pope Gregory the Great—counseled a return to character, to humility, to the servanthood of Jesus. The destruction around him was palpable—his daily work required him to face a once-great nation humbled, now in ashes—and yet, his vision was not anchored in making the empire great once again, rebuilding armies, or refilling the empty coffers. Rather, he pointed to Jesus as the way. Because in Jesus, weakness is strength, brokenness is courage, and peacemaking brings shalom for all of us.

I’m not convinced either party is anchored in this vision. But I do grieve who and what we’ve elevated in this last decade, which to me is a counterfeit and hollow hope. We’re seeing the cost of abandoning the way of Jesus again.

The way of Jesus was never about one issue. It was never about one Supreme Court ruling. And it certainly doesn’t rise or fall with emperors or Presidents. And I’m really grateful for that. But the people of God have a history of chasing things they can manufacture, control, and elevate—whether golden calves or earthly kings.

I sat with someone recently who was lamenting the hope he’d put in a political movement—a movement he thought would save Christianity, as was promised. He’s finding his way back to Jesus, back to the old stories, his words and his works, and the more noble way of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.

“I’ve been really humbled by it all,” he told me. And maybe that’s the point. That, in the end, is how we grow up. And maybe, too, that’s how the very presence of Jesus is revealed today."

- Chuck DeGroat

I’m reading that aloud to my wife with the Hallelujah Chorus playing in the background. She’s openly repenting of ever voting for anyone and vows to work at the local soup kitchen from sunup til sundown on Election Day!
 
God used imperfect judges to bring safety to believers throughout history. Paul tells us to pray for our leaders so that we may have mercy from imperfect leaders.

The islamo/communists today are 1000% oppposite of what we want in society.

What he said!
 
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