St. Patrick, patron saint of ... immigrants

[Ransom]

Catherine Connolly, president of Ireland:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033552836949086660

Just one thing. Patrick wasn't a migrant. He was a slave, kidnapped and brought to Ireland from Britain.

He escaped, and eventually returned, desiring to bring the Gospel to the Irish pagans, planning, perhaps, even to convert the slavers who had abducted him. Today, Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland because his missionary efforts made Ireland into the civilization that it is today, which brought us such people as Robert Boyle, Jonathan Swift, William Butler Yeats, Seamus Heaney, U2, and Enya.

I rather doubt the third-world Muslim migrants filling up Irish hotels today would have built a society anything like that. Heck, if it became like any other Islamic republic, it wouldn't even be green.

 

[Bob H]

Patrick's color was orange. He wasn't a Romanist.... they just claimed him



Just sayin'

 

[subllibrm]

Ransom, how easy is it for someone from South or Central America to immigrate to Canada? I have heard that it's a hard.and expensive process for a US citizen to come up there. Just curious how your system compares to ours.

 

[Ransom]

Patrick's color was orange. He wasn't a Romanist.... they just claimed him

Just sayin'

Patrick was a Catholic Christian, back when "Catholic" actually meant universal. And while he was the architect of insular "Celtic" Christianity (as it later developed after the Romans abandoned Britain, which happened during his lifetime), he was himself a Roman and maintained his link to Rome.

Of course, he was no Baptist, as is sometimes claimed.

 

[Ransom]

Ransom, how easy is it for someone from South or Central America to immigrate to Canada? I have heard that it's a hard.and expensive process for a US citizen to come up there. Just curious how your system compares to ours.

Don't know how it compares to the U.S. I'm not well versed in immigration policy. We have a point system to determine eligibility that selects for educated and skilled workers, particularly in high-demand skills such as STEM or healthcare. There are mandatory language proficiency tests in either French or English. And I believe you have to demonstrate sufficient funds to support yourself. So my guess is that it is expensive and competitive.

 

[aleshanee]

Patrick was a Catholic Christian, back when "Catholic" actually meant universal. And while he was the architect of insular "Celtic" Christianity (as it later developed after the Romans abandoned Britain, which happened during his lifetime), he was himself a Roman and maintained his link to Rome.

Of course, he was no Baptist, as is sometimes claimed.

our pastor still uses the term "catholic" in the universal sense..... ...it sometimes confuses visitors from other denominations... ....... and yes you are correct..... patrick was not a baptist... . otherwise he would have eradicated ireland of all the whiskey as well as the snakes....

 

[Bob H]

Patrick was a Catholic Christian, back when "Catholic" actually meant universal. And while he was the architect of insular "Celtic" Christianity (as it later developed after the Romans abandoned Britain, which happened during his lifetime), he was himself a Roman and maintained his link to Rome.

Of course, he was no Baptist, as is sometimes claimed.

One of the best men I've ever heard preach was a Independent Methodist preacher from Northern Ireland and that's what he told us about him being "Orange"

 

[Bob H]

The word "catholic" with the small "c" , like it's written in the apostle creed is fine. When you use the capital "C" with it you get in trouble

 

[aleshanee]

 

[aleshanee]

 

[Ransom]

The word "catholic" with the small "c" , like it's written in the apostle creed is fine. When you use the capital "C" with it you get in trouble

When the Apostles' Creed was written, capital letters wouldn't have signified a difference.

 

[illinoisguy]

St. Patrick baptized by immersion, as did most Roman Catholic priests at that time. "In Ireland, Patrick immersed 7 kings and 11,000 of their subjects in a day, according to Farrell's Life of him." (Armitage, "History of the Baptists, p. 79) The Greek Orthodox Church still baptizes by immersion today, as accurately depicted in the movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding." They know their Greek language and they understand perfectly well that the word "baptizo" means to immerse or dip.

Was Patrick associated with the Roman Catholic Church? According to Mosheim, he was: [Pope Celestine] "employed in this mission, Succathus, a native of Scotland, whose name he changed into that of Patrick, and who arrived among the Irish in the year 432. . . . He founded, in the year 472, the archbishopric of Armagh, which has ever since remained the metropolitan see of the Irish nation." John Lawrence Mosheim, "Ecclesiastical History," p. 120

However, W.A. Jarrel denies this: "There is no history to sustain the Romish claim that Patrick was sent to Ireland by 'Pope Celistine.' Bede never mentions it. Patrick never mentions it. Facts are against the claim. Through his life Patrick acted wholly independent of Rome." - "Baptist Church Perpetuity," p. 473. Jarrel describes Patrick as a Baptist and says he baptized only "professed believers."

Albert Henry Newman says, "Later Roman Catholic writers have sought to make it appear that [Patrick] received a commission from the pope to evangelize the Irish. His own writings make no mention of such commission, and it is highly improbable that he consulted the pope with reference to his great life-work. . . . It cannot be supposed, of course, that any very large proportion of the multitudes that nominally accepted Christianity on his invitation and submitted to baptism at his hands actually experienced saving grace." - "A Manual of Church History," Volume One, p 412. [In other words, the conversion of Ireland may have been a typical case of "The chief says get baptized, or else" which was the common practice in the Middle Ages. If Patrick immersed 11,007 converts in one day, he may not have had much time to do a lot of personal work with each convert].

 

[Ekklesian]

Catherine Connolly, president of Ireland:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2033552836949086660

Just one thing. Patrick wasn't a migrant. He was a slave, kidnapped and brought to Ireland from Britain.

He escaped, and eventually returned, desiring to bring the Gospel to the Irish pagans, planning, perhaps, even to convert the slavers who had abducted him. Today, Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland because his missionary efforts made Ireland into the civilization that it is today, which brought us such people as Robert Boyle, Jonathan Swift, William Butler Yeats, Seamus Heaney, U2, and Enya.

I rather doubt the third-world Muslim migrants filling up Irish hotels today would have built a society anything like that. Heck, if it became like any other Islamic republic, it wouldn't even be green.

Didn't he deport the snakes?

 

[Ekklesian]

. otherwise he would have eradicated ireland of all the whiskey as well as the snakes....

That would have been a tragedy.

 

[aleshanee]

St. Patrick baptized by immersion, as did most Roman Catholic priests at that time. "In Ireland, Patrick immersed 7 kings and 11,000 of their subjects in a day, according to Farrell's Life of him." (Armitage, "History of the Baptists, p. 79) ......

11,000 baptisms in one day?...... ........ wow..... he must have had really strong arms... . or a lot of help......... ...

one of my favorite stories about st patrick involves him using a clover to teach about the trinity.. ... legend says he was standing on a bed of clover during a sermon.... and he picked one of them up and showed his listeners how the 3 leaves of the clover were separate yet part of the same flower...... the same legend says that is how the clover....(or shamrock) .. became a treasured symbol of ireland.........

but then i have also heard people say that whole story is myth.... others say it might have few true elements of it did not happen the way the legend tells it..... ......... that;s sad.. coz i love the original story the way i first heard about it...

 

[aleshanee]

That would have been a tragedy.

my sister would agree... (though i think she likes scotch better than irish whiskey.....) .. another legend about st patrick is that when saw the irish clans begin to unite he decided to leave them their whiskey... in order to prevent them from one day ruling the world....