Stop Trump!!!

[rsc2a]

What does it matter if he's a vile person with a barbarian view of women. We've already been told ethics don't  matter when it comes to our country's leader.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

What does it matter if he's a vile person with a barbarian view of women. We've already been told ethics don't  matter when it comes to our country's leader.

Why are you bringing the Obama administration into this thread on Trump? 

 

[Bruh]

The media be it Fox or anyone of the others or politicians on either side need to understand you really can't attack Trump at this point, he's the "none politician" and attacking him is like attacking the working man.

Kinda like if they disagree with Obama, if they do they are racist.

If they disagree with Trump, Trumps answer needs to be, "why because I'm not a politician?"  and throw that card around.

But like has been said already, people may/will vote Trump to spite every last one of the PIGS!

 

[rsc2a]

Running for President makes one a politician.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Running for President makes one a politician.

Only in that narrow mind of yours.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

One more observation:  The moderators were aggressive, and put Trump on the defensive.  That's a shame, because some of his points got lost, even when he made them.

For example:  His bankruptcies.  IMO, the best answer for that would be, "Some rich investors made bets, they lost, and they're still rich.  When a country has a $19 trillion debt, EVERYONE loses, including the poor and middle class.  Politicians of both sides bet with the taxpayer's money, and the politicians keep winning and the taxpayers keep losing.  That's what I intend to fix."

 

[Just John]

I watched a video of Trump talking about the girl "on her knees".  It was a joke.  The Apprentice team said she had gotten down on her knees for something, and he said, "Must have been a pretty picture".  Now, lots of people might think that's a bad thing, but taken out of context the way Megan Kelley did it, it sounded a lot worse.

Its so obvious that Fox is trying to get Tump out of the Republican primary.

Murdoch as much tipped his hand the other day whne talking about Trump. News has no place for such nonsense. If they want Trump not to run as an independent..... Then they should stop pushing him away.

Seriously. I have had my fill of Fox, especially Hannity kissing Trump's tail every night on Fox. He has had his more than fair share of welcome receptions on O'Reilly, Gretchen and Megyn Kelly. Most have spoke of how they have known him for years, "he's not really that guy", etc. 

Bret Bear, Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelley said they had unanimous agreement on every question. I have said here a few times in the last week my main concern about Trump is a third party run which HE has hinted at. Likewise that is a foremost concern and question on many people's mind who do not want to see a Democrat in the White House. That this was the first question was not a "trap". That's nonsense. It is a concern of many. Put it out on the table immediately and filter the debate through that prism.

As for the question about Trump's attitude toward's women it was valid. Admittedly the worst was towards O'Donnell but that wasn't the only one (and I would hazard a good bet there are more that will/would service in a longer campaign). And whether he thought so or not the question was his to answer. If he was so pure on the issue he should have been able to handle it. Instead he was a petulant man-child with an implied threat (as stupid as it was) towards Kelley.  Presidents will be blasted and even "lied" about on a daily basis, especially if they are "conservative". A candidate would be wise to show he can handle it with more than schoolyard behavior. 

Not surprisingly he was blowing up on his Twitter account until 4am whining about being treated "unfair", etc. He called Frank Luntz  a "slob" because he thinks Luntz salted his focus group with people who would trash Trump and retweeted how "stupid', "over-rated" and a "bimbo" Megyn Kelley is.  Donald, grow up.

 

[rsc2a]

Running for President makes one a politician.

Only in that narrow mind of yours.

pol·i·ti·cian
ˌpäləˈtiSHən/
noun
noun: politician; plural noun: politicians

    a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.
    synonyms: legislator, elected official, statesman, stateswoman, public servant; More



Is the word candidate, elected, or office causing you problems?

 

[Just John]

One more observation:  The moderators were aggressive, and put Trump on the defensive.  That's a shame, because some of his points got lost, even when he made them.

They were aggressive with others as well.

• Walker was asked if he would really let a women die instead of having a life-saving antiabortion?Also lack of foreign experience with a potential "gotcha" question asking which Arab country specifically not already in the American coalition has the potential to be the US greatest partner. (He handled very well btw).would he
  
  Kasich was asked about increasing medicaid in Ohio.
  
  Cruz was a called a "divisive figure".
  
  Christie asked about nine credit downgrades to New Jersey since he's been governor.
  
  Rubio asked having never head executive office why he would be a better president than Bush who he said was an excellent governor.
  
  Was the Bush name and dynastic perception an issue and the correctness and flip flopping on "his brother's war".
  

Somebody coined the phrase "politics isnt beanbag". Trump has made his own problem as being vulnerable because he makes claims he can't back up and give "just trust me plans" with no specifics. He has no other record.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

One more observation:  The moderators were aggressive, and put Trump on the defensive.  That's a shame, because some of his points got lost, even when he made them.

They were aggressive with others as well.

• Walker was asked if he would really let a women die instead of having a life-saving antiabortion?Also lack of foreign experience with a potential "gotcha" question asking which Arab country specifically not already in the American coalition has the potential to be the US greatest partner. (He handled very well btw).would he
  
  Kasich was asked about increasing medicaid in Ohio.
  
  Cruz was a called a "divisive figure".
  
  Christie asked about nine credit downgrades to New Jersey since he's been governor.
  
  Rubio asked having never head executive office why he would be a better president than Bush who he said was an excellent governor.
  
  Was the Bush name and dynastic perception an issue and the correctness and flip flopping on "his brother's war".
  

Trump has made his own problem as vulnerable because he makes claims he can't back up and give "just trust me plans" with no specifics. He has no other record.

With the possible exception of the Cruz question, they were aggressive about governing.  With Trump, they were aggressive about personal issues, namely how he makes comments on twitter.  Big difference. 

The question about bankruptcies was appropriate, but it intentionally clouded the difference between running a business with rich investors vs. running the country on the backs of taxpayers.  As much as I'd rather see someone other than Trump get the nomination, I'm sure he's smart enough to know the difference.

The bottom line is that I'd take ANY of the 17 (right? it's 17 now?) people over Hillary or Bernie --  yes, even the ones I don't like at all. 

 

[Just John]

One more observation:  The moderators were aggressive, and put Trump on the defensive.  That's a shame, because some of his points got lost, even when he made them.

They were aggressive with others as well.

• Walker was asked if he would really let a women die instead of having a life-saving antiabortion?Also lack of foreign experience with a potential "gotcha" question asking which Arab country specifically not already in the American coalition has the potential to be the US greatest partner. (He handled very well btw).would he
  
  Kasich was asked about increasing medicaid in Ohio.
  
  Cruz was a called a "divisive figure".
  
  Christie asked about nine credit downgrades to New Jersey since he's been governor.
  
  Rubio asked having never head executive office why he would be a better president than Bush who he said was an excellent governor.
  
  Was the Bush name and dynastic perception an issue and the correctness and flip flopping on "his brother's war".
  

Trump has made his own problem as vulnerable because he makes claims he can't back up and give "just trust me plans" with no specifics. He has no other record.

With the possible exception of the Cruz question, they were aggressive about governing.  With Trump, they were aggressive about personal issues, namely how he makes comments on twitter.  Big difference. 

Exactly.  Because Trump doesn't have the experience of governing in the sense that he will have to lead people and deal with countries he can't hire and fire. And if he throws money at a problem (a country or an issue) that he can do as individual as he routinely reminds us, as a president he will be throwing OUR money around. So questions aren't based on experience as much as on the experience of elected officials.

The question about bankruptcies was appropriate, but it intentionally clouded the difference between running a business with rich investors vs. running the country on the backs of taxpayers.  As much as I'd rather see someone other than Trump get the nomination, I'm sure he's smart enough to know the difference.

I have always had a moral issue with bankruptcy. If a person has run up credit card debt with poor decisions is it right for them to just bail on their responsibilities via bankruptcy?  I have had friends get completely upside down in the CA real estate bust in 2007-2008. Some went BK and others didn't based on a moral stand. I have huge respect for people like that. Other people are always affected in bankruptcy. In the latter case when several people in a neighborhood decide to go into foreclosure it hurts the value of every other homeowner in that neighborhood. Many who were underwater stayed and have no recouped the value of their home. Is there ever a valid reason? Sure. I can think especially in cases where a medical crisis has wiped out a family's resources or a catastrophic even beyond their control.

Back to Trump...he did so not because he had to but because it was "better" to.  He did because it "was legal". But more importantly he DOES have the resources to take care of the people hurt at least directly in the bankruptcy. The people hurt indirectly are numerous but harder to qualify.            .

The bottom line is that I'd take ANY of the 17 (right? it's 17 now?) people over Hillary or Bernie --  yes, even the ones I don't like at all.

We find agreement (except I would cringe voting for Lyndsey Graham) . But if Trump get's mad and decides to attempt a vanity third party run I believe it will pretty much assure a Hillary or Bernie. .

 

[biscuit1953]

Just John:  "We find agreement (except I would cringe voting for Lyndsey Graham) . But if Trump get's mad and decides to attempt a vanity third party run I believe it will pretty much assure a Hillary or Bernie. ."

After the last Republican landslide election there has been no change, only empty promises in turning America in a different direction.  The Republican leadership is no different than that of the Democratic Party and if Trump did run third party and give the election to the Democrats why would anyone think a Republican establishment candidate would be any better?  The only thing Christians can do is pray for their country that God would  change the hearts of the leaders we already have. 

I realize some don't believe God judges modern nations and I have a neighbor who is a Church of Christ minister who supports President Obama to the hilt because he believes exactly that.  He believes the Jews divided the world into nations and believes no modern nation should have any borders.  I simply disagree with that  concept.  America is in big trouble.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Running for President makes one a politician.

Only in that narrow mind of yours.

pol·i·ti·cian
ˌpäləˈtiSHən/
noun
noun: politician; plural noun: politicians

    a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.
    synonyms: legislator, elected official, statesman, stateswoman, public servant; More



Is the word candidate, elected, or office causing you problems?

Is the word professionally beyond your understanding?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I watched a video of Trump talking about the girl "on her knees".  It was a joke.  The Apprentice team said she had gotten down on her knees for something, and he said, "Must have been a pretty picture".  Now, lots of people might think that's a bad thing, but taken out of context the way Megan Kelley did it, it sounded a lot worse.

Its so obvious that Fox is trying to get Tump out of the Republican primary.

Murdoch as much tipped his hand the other day whne talking about Trump. News has no place for such nonsense. If they want Trump not to run as an independent..... Then they should stop pushing him away.

Seriously. I have had my fill of Fox, especially Hannity kissing Trump's tail every night on Fox. He has had his more than fair share of welcome receptions on O'Reilly, Gretchen and Megyn Kelly. Most have spoke of how they have known him for years, "he's not really that guy", etc. 

Bret Bear, Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelley said they had unanimous agreement on every question. I have said here a few times in the last week my main concern about Trump is a third party run which HE has hinted at. Likewise that is a foremost concern and question on many people's mind who do not want to see a Democrat in the White House. That this was the first question was not a "trap". That's nonsense. It is a concern of many. Put it out on the table immediately and filter the debate through that prism.

As for the question about Trump's attitude toward's women it was valid. Admittedly the worst was towards O'Donnell but that wasn't the only one (and I would hazard a good bet there are more that will/would service in a longer campaign). And whether he thought so or not the question was his to answer. If he was so pure on the issue he should have been able to handle it. Instead he was a petulant man-child with an implied threat (as stupid as it was) towards Kelley.  Presidents will be blasted and even "lied" about on a daily basis, especially if they are "conservative". A candidate would be wise to show he can handle it with more than schoolyard behavior. 

Not surprisingly he was blowing up on his Twitter account until 4am whining about being treated "unfair", etc. He called Frank Luntz  a "slob" because he thinks Luntz salted his focus group with people who would trash Trump and retweeted how "stupid', "over-rated" and a "bimbo" Megyn Kelley is.  Donald, grow up.

Why have you ignored my comments on Joan Rivers and Leeza Gibbons?

Do you think a war on women comment is valid toward a man who has selected these women as Celebrity Apprentice?

Do you think they unanimously thought they should ignore this?

They haven't backed anything they said. Tomato pointed out how far off bimbo was in saying he wanted women on their knees.

Trump also rightfully pointed out that Luntz came to him for money and he rejected him. Luntz has always been a clown.

I don't watch Hannity. I thought Oreilly was far toward him. Fair but tough.

Megan was shameless.

Wallace was shameless.

Briat ws borderline. He did throw out the hands up question like all the contestants were in kindergarten.

 

[rsc2a]

Running for President makes one a politician.

Only in that narrow mind of yours.

pol·i·ti·cian
ˌpäləˈtiSHən/
noun
noun: politician; plural noun: politicians

    a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.
    synonyms: legislator, elected official, statesman, stateswoman, public servant; More



Is the word candidate, elected, or office causing you problems?

Is the word professionally beyond your understanding?

It's quite within my understanding. You do realize that seeking a political office is a professional endeavor, right? Probably why the definition explicitly mentions candidates. Or, in your fantasy land, does running for president somehow not qualify as being "a candidate for an elected office"?

How many times does Trump have to run or pretend to run before you consider him to be a professional?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Running for President makes one a politician.

Only in that narrow mind of yours.

pol·i·ti·cian
ˌpäləˈtiSHən/
noun
noun: politician; plural noun: politicians

    a person who is professionally involved in politics, especially as a holder of or a candidate for an elected office.
    synonyms: legislator, elected official, statesman, stateswoman, public servant; More



Is the word candidate, elected, or office causing you problems?

Is the word professionally beyond your understanding?

It's quite within my understanding. You do realize that seeking a political office is a professional endeavor, right? Probably why the definition explicitly mentions candidates. Or, in your fantasy land, does running for president somehow not qualify as being "a candidate for an elected office"?

How many times does Trump have to run or pretend to run before you consider him to be a professional?

Hes never held a political office. It has never been his profession.

What's so difficult to understand. Yes. If he wins. He will be considered a politician. The term candidate is used in the context of the profession.

Why are you being over silly? No one would claim he's a politician...... Well except YOU!

Time for some more cheetos and tater chips.

 

[rsc2a]

What's so difficult to understand. Yes. If he wins. He will be considered a politician. The term candidate is used in the context of the profession.

I see why it is so hard to talk to you. You don't understand basic English.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What's so difficult to understand. Yes. If he wins. He will be considered a politician. The term candidate is used in the context of the profession.

I see why it is so hard to talk to you. You don't understand basic English.

Sure I do. You're the one refuses to acknowledge he had no professional background in government.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politician

1
:  a person experienced in the art or science of government; especially :  one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government
2
a :  a person engaged in party politics as a profession
b :  a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons

Time for some more Cheetos and tater chips.

 

[rsc2a]

b :  a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons



...Yes?

 

[praise_yeshua]

b :  a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons



...Yes?

why have you changed your choice of definitions?

Again. You're reading into the definition what you want to see. Typical Liberal.