The American Flag is not for Black people

[FSSL]

Or white people or Christians.

It is for Americans.

 

[HereIStand]

I agree.

The lone patriot...

 

[subllibrm]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

 

[FSSL]

Perhaps Kaepernick's socks will help you understand the issue more clearly.

 

[HereIStand]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

I'm all for free speech and its defense. However, I'm not sure what message is being conveyed by taking a knee during the anthem. Also, during today's games, some players stood during the anthem and locked arms. Again this is supposed to mean what? I'm not sure the players know either.

 

[subllibrm]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

I'm all for free speech and its defense. However, I'm not sure what message is being conveyed by taking a knee during the anthem. Also, during today's games, some players stood during the anthem and locked arms. Again this is supposed to mean what? I'm not sure the players know either.

Then ask them.

The reaction is interesting to me. My FB was full of frustration, consternation, indignation and hand wringing over, among other things, the "spitting in the face of veterans" football players are guilty of. I just don't see how any of what the have done is directed at veterans. Instead what I see is many people who have determined that the flag represents veterans more than the ideals for which the military has fought.

If a person says the confederate flag represents an approval of slavery they are rewriting history or some such but if another claims the American flag represents the sacrifice of past wars they are red blooded patriots.

What I see is a great national Rorschach test being carried out as we debate what is seen in various symbols.

 

[HereIStand]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

I'm all for free speech and its defense. However, I'm not sure what message is being conveyed by taking a knee during the anthem. Also, during today's games, some players stood during the anthem and locked arms. Again this is supposed to mean what? I'm not sure the players know either.

Then ask them.

The reaction is interesting to me. My FB was full of frustration, consternation, indignation and hand wringing over, among other things, the "spitting in the face of veterans" football players are guilty of. I just don't see how any of what the have done is directed at veterans. Instead what I see is many people who have determined that the flag represents veterans more than the ideals for which the military has fought.

If a person says the confederate flag represents an approval of slavery they are rewriting history or some such but if another claims the American flag represents the sacrifice of past wars they are red blooded patriots.

What I see is a great national Rorschach test being carried out as we debate what is seen in various symbols.

The Rorschach test analogy works both ways. Some see an anthem protest as a brave act against injustice. Others see it as an out of place distraction at best. From the crowd psychology of the media though, no rational explanation is needed. Simply put Trump and anthem protest together, and then repeat "divisive."

 

[ALAYMAN]

If I want to hear politics I'll turn it to C-Span, but when I watch sports I don't expect to nor will I tolerate for long the politicization of entertainment.  NFL ratings are down again this year.  Maybe where there's smoke there's fire.  When enough fans find other outlets to satisfy their fix then maybe the almighty dollar will sort the wheat from the chaff and show which ones of these jokers really put their money where their mouths are.  Heck, for that matter, if they are so incensed by whatever has their panties in a wad why don't they go on the proverbial hunger strike and start protesting by sitting out a few games!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

I'm all for free speech and its defense. However, I'm not sure what message is being conveyed by taking a knee during the anthem. Also, during today's games, some players stood during the anthem and locked arms. Again this is supposed to mean what? I'm not sure the players know either.

Then ask them.

The reaction is interesting to me. My FB was full of frustration, consternation, indignation and hand wringing over, among other things, the "spitting in the face of veterans" football players are guilty of. I just don't see how any of what the have done is directed at veterans. Instead what I see is many people who have determined that the flag represents veterans more than the ideals for which the military has fought.

If a person says the confederate flag represents an approval of slavery they are rewriting history or some such but if another claims the American flag represents the sacrifice of past wars they are red blooded patriots.

What I see is a great national Rorschach test being carried out as we debate what is seen in various symbols.

How do you respond to the anthem?
What does the American flag represent to you?
Slavery? Plundering and pillaging? Oppression?
Opportunity, Freedom to protest? The greatest standard of living in human history?

America is a divided country...racism does exist...but the majority of racism on display in this culture is from only Black Lives Matter and their ilk.

 

[subllibrm]

The logic goes like this:

"Our fighting men and women fought and died to protect your right to the freedom to disagree, protest and seek changes in our country. How dare you exercise those rights in a way I don't like?"

The question then is this; is the offense due to the way the protest is being conducted or with the message of the protest itself? If the former,  see the above logic. If the latter then engage with the message not the method.

Personally, I admire the fact that the protest is non-violent and dare I say respectful (that is, a quiet rebuke versus an in your face hissy fit).

Fireproof suit zipped and ready.

I'm all for free speech and its defense. However, I'm not sure what message is being conveyed by taking a knee during the anthem. Also, during today's games, some players stood during the anthem and locked arms. Again this is supposed to mean what? I'm not sure the players know either.

Then ask them.

The reaction is interesting to me. My FB was full of frustration, consternation, indignation and hand wringing over, among other things, the "spitting in the face of veterans" football players are guilty of. I just don't see how any of what the have done is directed at veterans. Instead what I see is many people who have determined that the flag represents veterans more than the ideals for which the military has fought.

If a person says the confederate flag represents an approval of slavery they are rewriting history or some such but if another claims the American flag represents the sacrifice of past wars they are red blooded patriots.

What I see is a great national Rorschach test being carried out as we debate what is seen in various symbols.

How do you respond to the anthem? I stand and sing.
What does the American flag represent to you?Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness!
Slavery? Plundering and pillaging? Oppression?No but I can see how it could to some.
Opportunity, Freedom to protest? The greatest standard of living in human history?No but I can see how it could to some.

America is a divided country...racism does exist...but the majority of racism on display in this culture is from only Black Lives Matter and their ilk.

Raised to be a patriotic American by an Army veteran, I was never taught that the flag represented veterans. Nor was I taught that it represented their sacrifice. I was taught that those who gave their all fought for the country that the flag represented. To say it represents veterans is to say that the Army fights for the memory of veterans not the country which is the exact opposite of what I was taught growing up. We display flags on memorial day as a representative token of the country's esteem for those who died in battle, not as representation of them. Words matter and symbols matter. The morphing of the flag into a symbol of veterans is a mystery to me.

And yes we are divided. Calling people "sons of b*tches" is not helpful from the peanut gallery and it is certainly not acceptable from the man holding the most powerful office in the world. We are a house divided and the president is having a field day increasing the fractures. Hard to believe that there was once a man named Abraham Lincoln in that role.

 

[ALAYMAN]

And yes we are divided. Calling people "sons of b*tches" is not helpful from the peanut gallery and it is certainly not acceptable from the man holding the most powerful office in the world. We are a house divided and the president is having a field day increasing the fractures. Hard to believe that there was once a man named Abraham Lincoln in that role.

You can blame Trump for fanning the flames, but he wasn't even in office when this idiotic debacle of protest started in the NFL last year.  They are just looking for reasons to kneel now.  The "division" is self-imposed when you think that just because you are a professional athlete or entertainer that your voice is more important than the rank and file plebes paying the ticket fare.

 

[Saved by Grace]

There are worse places to be from than America isnt there?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Sub:
And yes we are divided. Calling people "sons of b*tches" is not helpful from the peanut gallery and it is certainly not acceptable from the man holding the most powerful office in the world. We are a house divided and the president is having a field day increasing the fractures. Hard to believe that there was once a man named Abraham Lincoln in that role.

If it weren't for Trump we would all be united singing not the racist anthem, but Kumbaya or Battle Hymn of the Republic (in honor of Old Abe).
Trump is still president...but America will be divided long after he's gone.
And Rush will still have 20+ million listeners per week.
And Cuba and Venezuela will still be socialist disasters.
And Sub will still be standing and singing the National Anthem.

Making America great...yet again.

 

[FSSL]

The NFL has a huge dislike of the police who serve our country. This is just a BLM issue exaggerated to dishonor our police.

Evidence 1: Last year?s half time with anti police racists

Evidence 2: Dallas Cowboys were not allowed to have stickers honoring the fallen police

Evidence 3: the goon who started it all hates police. Wearing cops as pigs socks


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[FSSL]

These are just Socialism?s ?Useful Idiots?

?The issue is never the issue. The issue is the revolution. This is about the leftists war against America.?

From Curtis Bowers, filmmaker


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[Bob H]

Perhaps Kaepernick's socks will help you understand the issue more clearly.

I wonder if any NFL player stood up for the police when he wore them.

 

[Kovotboat]

Got baited by the title.

God bless America.

 

[FSSL]

Got baited by the title.

God bless America.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[ItinerantPreacher]

Not being an American (by the cultural use of the term) I'll be careful to be respectful. I certainly agree with patriotism being an admirable quality, I am a patriot of my country. I stand at attention and respect when my flag is lowered or raised, and wen my national anthem is played.

I have been watching odds and ends of this debate, and it seems to me that it is an illogical view to let professional entertainers be it actors, musicians, or athletes dictate political views. I am not suggesting they can't have political views, I am saying they should not be those to whom we look to for moral and spiritual guidance for our views and values.