The Anti Creed lie of the IFB

[FSSL]

Over and over again, the IFB chant is heard "No creed but Christ."

Let's discuss...

 

[ALAYMAN]

Maybe you've mistaken the Disciples of Christ for IFB?  Or perhaps you're thinking of Scott Stapp?



On a serious note, wouldn't it been better to have framed the question something like "what is the value (and disadvantages) of creeds"?

 

[FSSL]

On a serious note, wouldn't it been better to have framed the question something like "what is the value (and disadvantages) of creeds"?

Nope. Two posters have said that Baptists are anticreedal. I am challenging that falsehood.

Why discuss the value of something they deny exists among IFB Baptists?

 

[ALAYMAN]

On a serious note, wouldn't it been better to have framed the question something like "what is the value (and disadvantages) of creeds"?

Nope. Two posters have said that Baptists are anticreedal. I am challenging that falsehood.

Why discuss the value of something they deny exists among IFB Baptists?

Why do you pin the anti-creedal sentiment to IFBs (especially based on a mere 2 posters)?  More importantly, the anticreedal sentiments you are challenging predated the modern IFB movement and you know that, so why narrow the allegation to a small subset of Christianity when there are many more (particularly amongst Baptists) groups that likewise question creedalism?

 

[FSSL]

... because I grew up IFB... graduated from an IFB college and served in IFB churches and associations where this was the mantra.

Anyone familiar with IFBs would not debate this point.

(The 1990s forward Detroit seminary guys were taught differently. They are few.)

 

[sword]

Do you define CREED: as system or set of beliefs, principles, articles of faith, ideology, doctrine, teaching, dogma, tenets one lives by?

I would say most baptist have a creed based on this defination. Most would contend this creed comes from the bible & the example of Jesus and the new testament church.

I would also contend that some come from tradition as well, such as 3 services a week.

What is your point, is a creed you live by wrong?

 

[sword]

FSSL:

I've been a independant baptist for nearly 50 years and I have only heard that phrase two or three times including your post.

 

[sword]

I have played Assassin's Creed Syndicate - PS4

http://www.amazon.com/Assassins-Creed-Syndicate-PlayStation-4/dp/B00X87BLK0

 

[bgwilkinson]

In my opinion this is the most important confession (creed) in modern times. It has left an undeniable stamp on Baptists.

Even IFBs use a form of it in their statements of faith.

I was taught the London Baptist Confession since childhood. Now in the last quarter of my life on this earth I see no reason to reject it, but rather hold to it.

http://www.arbca.com/1689-confession

The London Baptist confession descended from the Church of England 39 Articles of Religion.

http://www.victorianweb.org/religion/39articles.html

The London Baptist Confession is the basis of the Philadelphia Confession 1742.

http://www.baptiststart.com/print/1742_philadelphia.html

 

[bgwilkinson]

IFBs of the last 40 years tend to be anti-intellectual which seems to limit how much one might study history, especially Baptist History.

Nearly all of the resources for proper study of Baptist or Church history is now readily available to anyone with a computer and internet connection.

My former pastor would mock those who were educated thus promoting an anti-intellectualism that has permeated many IFB groups for decades.

 

[Thomas Cassidy]

I am IFB and hold to both the first and second London Confession of Faith as well as the New Hampshire Confession of Faith.

Where did you get the idea all, or even a majority of, IFBs are anti or non-credal?

 

[FSSL]

Yep. 2nd London is the standard for Baptists.

IFB of Michigan and IABCI (Illinois) both name the New Hampshire Baptist Confession of Faith as their creed.

 

[FSSL]

Where did you get the idea all, or even a majority of, IFBs are anti or non-credal?

From the pulpits, tracts and being raised in that culture.

 

[BALAAM]

IFBs of the last 40 years tend to be anti-intellectual which seems to limit how much one might study history, especially Baptist History.

Nearly all of the resources for proper study of Baptist or Church history is now readily available to anyone with a computer and internet connection.

My former pastor would mock those who were educated thus promoting an anti-intellectualism that has permeated many IFB groups for decades.

If memory serves me correctly, he also mocked worship and Bible study.

 

[bgwilkinson]

IFBs of the last 40 years tend to be anti-intellectual which seems to limit how much one might study history, especially Baptist History.

Nearly all of the resources for proper study of Baptist or Church history is now readily available to anyone with a computer and internet connection.

My former pastor would mock those who were educated thus promoting an anti-intellectualism that has permeated many IFB groups for decades.

If memory serves me correctly, he also mocked worship and Bible study.

Worship was a word that had no place in our Assembly.

How ever we did have Bible study on Wednesday nights but no prayer meeting.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Here is a good book on Baptist history in the first half of the 20th century.
Kevin is working on the last half to compliment this one. It is written in a non polemic evenhanded manner. I recommend it highly and it is a fast easy read.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1607766604?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00

 

[Edwards]

I have always thought that the IFB creed was the  five fundamentals with KJO added in along the way.   

 

[Bob H]

I have always thought that the IFB creed was the  five fundamentals with KJO added in along the way. 

You thought wrong........



BTW dudes, this is a"B" problem. Leave the "F " part out. Thank you

 

[bgwilkinson]

The Fundamentals: A Testimony To The Truth

This set of essays was greatly used to spread Fundamentalism. It was promoted by my parents pastor W B Riley. When we traveled the country starting churches in the 40s and 50s we always had dozens of sets of these. We distributed them free of charge. They were supplied by a generous benefactor. I read these through multiple times as a child while we traveled.

They were not a Baptist only project. They form part of the creed of 20th century Fundamentalism.

They are readily available on the internet in many places. If you have never read them you might be very surprised at what is in them.

I doubt that most IFBs have ever heard of these 90 essays the foundation documents of the modern fundamental movement.


https://archive.org/details/fundamentalstest17chic

 

[rsc2a]

I have always thought that the IFB creed was the  five fundamentals with KJO added in along the way. 

Conservative politics. Creationism. Dispensationalism. Single elder pastorate. Tithing. Tee-totalism. Anti-intellectualism. Rejection of anything culturally newer than the 1950s. Something between complementarianism and patriarchy.

I'm sure there is more that could be considered non-negotiable in IFB churches.