- May 5, 2016
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I've never heard this term used by Catholics, but admit I've never looked for it in Catholic teachings.No, Catholics have traditionally believed in Perseverance of the Saints. I would know, my Dad is Catholic and I grew up attending mass
on some Sundays and Protestant services on others (my Mom is Protestant). I've a keen understanding of both systems since childhood,
whereas most only have an understanding of one and an incomplete interpretation of the other that they learned from their biased
denominational defense apologetics.
Catholics even recite this many times during mass: "We believe in the Perseverance of the Saints".
Calvin simply took Perseverance of the Saints and redefined it using the hasty generalization system of axioms that I just described
in post #19, to imply that all saints will persevere to the end. Catholics have always believed that saints must persevere to the end,
however there are many writings and debates where Catholics have clearly stated God will not force them to, and the apostasy of
a believer is possible.
Catholics certainly believe perseverance to the end is necessary, and this is an obvious component of their works salvation doctrine,
as scripture clearly calls perseverance a work; laboring.
Calvin took this concept and combined it with justification by faith, meaning he had to force all who were justified to also persevere
as an act predestined and controlled by God otherwise this would obviously be works salvation (which it is: Calvin just did backflips
on fallacies to reinforce his axioms). Since Non-Catholics have historically believed that works salvation is heresy, Calvin got around
this by dividing salvation into 2 parts: justification and his once again hasty generalization interpretation of God-controlled sanctification
(which sanctification is actually 3 parts, 2 parts God, 1 part man, but Calvin lazily conglomerated it all into 1: See UGC Bible Study #2 on
This is how "Reformers" get around being labeled works salvationists; they say "Oh, justification is by faith alone... but perseverance
and "sanctification" (their conglomerated interpretation of sanctification) are the absolute byproduct whereby works will follow to the end
of your final salvation, but God will force this perseverance in works to happen once you get justified." Such is a quagmire of fallacies.
Any logician who wasn't brainwashed and indoctrinated into this system will concur: this is works salvation.
I do know that no Catholic can claim to know where he is going when he dies, as that is the "sin of presumption".
So they might quote the words, but I have a hard time believing they understand it as we would understand it.
I'll have to look more into it. (where's my catechism?)