The Fad of the Bible College Movement

[Ransom]

What alternative is there to meet someone of like faith if you are from an IFB church.

Maybe you could meet 'em at church.

 

[bruinboy]

If the managawd really wants what is best for their members, potential students, they would send them to a school that is capable of giving them a good education and exposure to other opinions.  However most bible kawkages (baptist basement skools) are more interested in the same ol, same ol from a preecher who thinks he is the only one with "the right answers". 

 

[FSSL]

In fact... there is no such thing as a Bachelors of Arts diploma. A diploma just means you completed course work. A BA is a degree.

I have a feeling that the Web site is using the word wrong, but strictly speaking, a degree is the award conferred upon the student for completing a course of study, while a diploma is the document recording the successful completion of a course of study.

I have a Bachelor of Arts degree, and I have the diploma to prove it.

Heartland appears to be holding out the promise of a piece of paper representing the degree, rather than the degree itself. It's kind of an awkward phrasing.

I thought the same, but it does not appear to be akward. It appears to be a misrepresentation.

Wikipedia notes that they are not able to confer degrees.

"HBBC is not allowed by the state of Oklahoma to issue degrees."

 

[FSSL]

Looking further...Deeply embedded in their website, they say:

"Heartland does not grant degrees per se, but does award diplomas for completion of a four year course of study as well as two and three year diplomas."

http://heartlandbaptist.edu/about/general-statements/accreditation

What a deceptive piece of crock... per se...

Either you DO or you DON'T... and they DON'T.

 

[FSSL]

Too bad some of their alumni think they have a degree...

http://www.graysonbbc.org/about/our-staff/

http://stillwaterbbc.org/wp/about/staff/

http://baptisttimes.org/publication-team/

http://fbtministries.org/academy/administration/

 

[Ransom]

I thought the same, but it does not appear to be akward. It appears to be a misrepresentation.

Wikipedia notes that they are not able to confer degrees.

"HBBC is not allowed by the state of Oklahoma to issue degrees."

Yes, that puts an entirely different, and deceptive, spin on it.

 

[FSSL]

Providence Baptist Bible College is not able to confer a degree... yet they refer to their courses as "Majors."

Some believe they have degrees from this college

http://nlbbc.org/faculty/
http://peterstospain.com/about/
http://shastabaptistchurch.com/meetstaff_1.aspx

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Misrepresenting the value of their "diploma" is nefarious indeed.

And if the primary goal for sending adult children away to a Bible college and spending $45k for a "diploma" is for them to find a like-minded mate, then start IFBmatchmaker.com or something...it would be a whole lot cheaper. Let them go to a regionally accredited college.

 

[Bruh]

Providence Baptist Bible College is not able to confer a degree... yet they refer to their courses as "Majors."

Some believe they have degrees from this college

http://nlbbc.org/faculty/
http://peterstospain.com/about/
http://shastabaptistchurch.com/meetstaff_1.aspx

Yes they do, and it is very sad, I deal with them on a weekly basis, they really really believe they have higher education. They believe they are college graduates. Sad.

In reality it is nothing more than a adult Sunday school they attended for four years.

 

[Bruh]

Misrepresenting the value of their "diploma" is nefarious indeed.

And if the primary goal for sending adult children away to a Bible college and spending $45k for a "diploma" is for them to find a like-minded mate, then start IFBmatchmaker.com or something...it would be a whole lot cheaper. Let them go to a regionally accredited college.

Yes, sending your children off to find a mate. :

 

[FSSL]

The complete lack of charity and grace displayed on this thread is astounding. Apparently it never occurred to anybody that maybe, just maybe, someone who once start a Bible college might have had a smidgen of motivation to advance the cause of Christ and help people become trained to do that.

Nope. Of course that is impossible. Every single one was motivated by nefarious intentions. I shoulda' known...

On counter balance, there are popular Bible colleges that started out of strife and make it a point to manipulate unaware teens to pay lots of money for a worthless education.

They pretend to grant a degree but they mask it in terms that are misleading.

 

[subllibrm]

So Bible Colleges became a way for churches to charge for what they should already be doing?

BAM!!!!

 

[subllibrm]

Pastor is to teach the body to do the work of the ministry. If that is being done properly why would they need to go to college to learn to do ministry?

 

[kaba]

When Toby Weaver comes to our church every year with the singing group from West Coast. He will talk to my husband about sending my kids to his school. My husband wanting to make a point!! Tells them they have gotten move Bible in the 12 years we have been under our Pastor than what they would get at West Coast. I sure hope Toby stops asking him that question!!!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

In fact... there is no such thing as a Bachelors of Arts diploma. A diploma just means you completed course work. A BA is a degree.

I have a feeling that the Web site is using the word wrong, but strictly speaking, a degree is the award conferred upon the student for completing a course of study, while a diploma is the document recording the successful completion of a course of study.

I have a Bachelor of Arts degree, and I have the diploma to prove it.

Heartland appears to be holding out the promise of a piece of paper representing the degree, rather than the degree itself. It's kind of an awkward phrasing.

I thought the same, but it does not appear to be akward. It appears to be a misrepresentation.

Wikipedia notes that they are not able to confer degrees.

"HBBC is not allowed by the state of Oklahoma to issue degrees."

Several years ago, state Departments of Education became aware of these local Bible colleges.  After, all, they do a good bit of advertising as places of higher learning.  The state DOEs sent out simple letters asking for their accreditation to put on file with the state dept.  When, the IFB college discovers this letter, they are not sure what to do.  After all, they can't provide any such information.  They looked into seeing what would be needed and quickly determined that they would not be able to achieve these guidelines.  The state depts were shocked that such institutions would be in existence and ordered them to stop issuing diplomas.

The Bible colleges got worried.  Here, they had a cease and desist order.  Solution?  We are not a college as understood by the academic world.  We are simply a ministry of a local church to only train people for ministries like ours.  In making this statement to the Department of Education, they gave up the right to issue diplomas that would be recognized by academic institutions. 

The IFB Bible college has no problem with this.  They believe, and rightly so, that the DOE has no clue how to validate doctrine and ecclesiastical methodology.  Hence, they call their four year program a degree, but they are only issuing a certificate of completion. 

As many have said before, if you want to do anything other than ministry as presented by the IFB Bible college church, don't go there.  That said, my HAC diploma has allowed me to get jobs that required a bachelor's degree.  Most employers simply look to see if the institution is a real place.  I am also able to be a certified teacher with my HAC BS degree.

 

[praise_yeshua]

So Bible Colleges became a way for churches to charge for what they should already be doing?

BAM!!!!

You can add parents....at the top of that list.

 

[bgwilkinson]

When Toby Weaver comes to our church every year with the singing group from West Coast. He will talk to my husband about sending my kids to his school. My husband wanting to make a point!! Tells them they have gotten move Bible in the 12 years we have been under our Pastor than what they would get at West Coast. I sure hope Toby stops asking him that question!!!

Please be aware Toby is sent out to recruit students (paying customers) so that the school can pay his salary.
He is only doing his job. If you don't like it you might suggest to the powers that be that they not invite the recruiting outreach group back for entertainment. In general so call tours groups are nothing more than the marketing department of the college they represent. They are there to sign up students, nothing else.

 

[subllibrm]

So Bible Colleges became a way for churches to charge for what they should already be doing?

BAM!!!!

You can add parents....at the top of that list.

Or string up the parents and church leaders who get that out of order. 

 

[kaba]

When Toby Weaver comes to our church every year with the singing group from West Coast. He will talk to my husband about sending my kids to his school. My husband wanting to make a point!! Tells them they have gotten move Bible in the 12 years we have been under our Pastor than what they would get at West Coast. I sure hope Toby stops asking him that question!!!

Please be aware Toby is sent out to recruit students (paying customers) so that the school can pay his salary.
He is only doing his job. If you don't like it you might suggest to the powers that be that they not invite the recruiting outreach group back for entertainment. In general so call tours groups are nothing more than the marketing department of the college they represent. They are there to sign up students, nothing else.

I am aware of that. The husband just seems to enjoy letting Toby know he is never interested in sending his kids to their school-but tryng to be nice about it, in his John Mark/Buffa kind of way!

 

[bgwilkinson]

When Toby Weaver comes to our church every year with the singing group from West Coast. He will talk to my husband about sending my kids to his school. My husband wanting to make a point!! Tells them they have gotten move Bible in the 12 years we have been under our Pastor than what they would get at West Coast. I sure hope Toby stops asking him that question!!!

Please be aware Toby is sent out to recruit students (paying customers) so that the school can pay his salary.
He is only doing his job. If you don't like it you might suggest to the powers that be that they not invite the recruiting outreach group back for entertainment. In general so call tours groups are nothing more than the marketing department of the college they represent. They are there to sign up students, nothing else.

I am aware of that. The husband just seems to enjoy letting Toby know he is never interested in sending his kids to their school-but tryng to be nice about it, in his John Mark/Buffa kind of way!

I know Toby well, let him have it.