The Four Gospels mentioned in the New Testament
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Biblebeliever said:
You need to get some Bible training...the Gospel is that Jesus is the Messiah and the only way to salvation...period...and He is the Savior of all men in every dispensation. If you offer any other "gospel" then Paul damns you!
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Biblebeliever said:
The Gospel of the Grace of God will be always be the same. You're silly beliefs concerning the Gospel preached during the time you call "Jacob's Trouble" is just more Dispensational malarkey.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is the Gospel of the Grace of God.
Oh wise one...... what exactly will be different about this so called "Gospel of the Kingdom"?
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T-Bone said:
Exactly. When you ask these numbnuts what exactly is different about this "gospel".... they always end up looking foolish...
I suspect he'll say that the "Jews" will have to perform some "works" to be saved....
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prophet said:
And that happens here:
Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people.
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T-Bone said:
The Gospel of the Kingdom is not about Salvation, it is about a Kingdom.
Now the Gospel of the Death, Burial, and Resurrection is about Salvation.
One other thing; salvation is not the same for every dispensation.
Salvation in the time of Jacob's trouble will involve works with faith for salvation.
Just as works were needed with faith in the Old Testament for salvation.
Now while salvation is different in each dispensation; still though, eternal redemption can only come through the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. And this applies to all dispensations.
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Biblebeliever said:
Blaspheme....
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The Rogue Tomato said:
The "Eternal Gospel"..... who would have thought such a thing existed..... I reckon BB and others have no idea what "Eternal" means.
Biblebeliever said:
You are biblically illiterate...and you teach a false gospel...salvation has never, is not now, nor will it ever be faith + works....Salvation is now, always has been and will always be by the grace of God...period. Please go get a job digging ditches or picking up trash and don't ever teach your heresy to God's precious people!
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christundivided said:
Of course the Gospel of the Grace of God will always be the same.
But the 144,000 sealed Jews (witnesses) [Rev. 7:3-8] will not be preaching the Gospel of the Grace of God. They will be preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 24:14).
Study the Bible and start believing what it says.
Also, the time of Jacob's trouble is a Biblical phrase for the 7 year tribulation period.
Jeremiah 30:6-11 KJV
Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? [7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it. [8] For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him: [9] But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them. [10] Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord ; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. [11] For I am with thee, saith the Lord , to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
christundivided said:
Wrong again. You need to study the Bible more.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is NOT the Gospel of the Grace of God.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is about a literal, physical, messianic, Jewish Kingdom will be set up on this Earth after the 7 year tribulation period (Daniel's 70th week). And the Messiah of the Jews; the Lord Jesus Christ will be the leader and ruler of this messianic Kingdom. He will rule the nations with a rod of Iron (Psa. 2).
The Gospel of the Grace of God is about the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And this very Gospel is the one that was committed to Paul (Gal. 1:11-12).
christundivided said:
Again, The fact that this Gospel of the Kingdom is about a messianic Kingdom which is preached to Israel preparing them to get ready to receive their Messiah and His Glorious Kingdom should be enough for you to discern this distinction. After all, There is a distinction between Israel and the Church (Body of Christ). [1 Cor. 10:32].
The first time when this Gospel (Gospel of the Kingdom) was preached on Earth, the Lord Jesus Christ commanded His disciples that they go not in the way of the Gentiles, but only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel:
Matthew 10:5-8 KJV
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [8] Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
The Gospel of the Kingdom is a Messianic Gospel. It is a Gospel for and preached to Israel.
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Another thing that is different about the Gospel of the Kingdom is that it is a Gospel of endurance (Matt. 24:13; Heb. 3:6, 14).
One must endure unto the end to be saved in Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble).
If a tribulation saint does not endure unto the end; and if he falls away by taking the mark of the beast (Heb. 6:4-6; Rev. 14:9-12), then they automatically lose their salvation and they will not inherit the Millennial Kingdom, but instead they will be cast into Hell fire at the Judgment of the Nations (Matt. 25:41-46).
In contrast; the Gospel of the Grace of God is not a Gospel of endurance. Why? Because today salvation is by grace through faith only (Eph. 2:8-9).
Today, no one has to endure to the end to be saved. All one needs is a repentant heart toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation, and then at the moment that they are saved, They are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God (Eph. 1:13; 4:30). And are baptized by the Holy Ghost into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13), therefore they are eternally secure and cannot lose their salvation. They become members of Christ's Body, they are now bone of His Bone and flesh of His flesh (Eph. 5:30).
The very means of Salvation will be different in the time of Jacob's trouble. You need to study the Holy Bible more and ask God to reveal His precious truths to you from His holy word, the King James Holy Bible.
One must endure unto the end to be saved in Daniel's 70th week (time of Jacob's trouble).
If a tribulation saint does not endure unto the end; and if he falls away by taking the mark of the beast (Heb. 6:4-6; Rev. 14:9-12), then they automatically lose their salvation and they will not inherit the Millennial Kingdom, but instead they will be cast into Hell fire at the Judgment of the Nations (Matt. 25:41-46).
In contrast; the Gospel of the Grace of God is not a Gospel of endurance. Why? Because today salvation is by grace through faith only (Eph. 2:8-9).
Today, no one has to endure to the end to be saved. All one needs is a repentant heart toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation, and then at the moment that they are saved, They are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God (Eph. 1:13; 4:30). And are baptized by the Holy Ghost into the Body of Christ (1 Cor. 12:12-13), therefore they are eternally secure and cannot lose their salvation. They become members of Christ's Body, they are now bone of His Bone and flesh of His flesh (Eph. 5:30).
The very means of Salvation will be different in the time of Jacob's trouble. You need to study the Holy Bible more and ask God to reveal His precious truths to you from His holy word, the King James Holy Bible.
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Biblebeliever said:
Ah.... but that means that sorry old Syrophoenician women in Matthew 15 never got in???? nor that sorry old Moabite "Ruth" never found her way in... Nor maybe Tamar or Rahab the Harlot?
You're so pitiful. You know nothing of the Gospel.
The Gospel has always been about Messiah.... You may well talk of the "Time of the Gentiles".... but don't tell me the message is different to the Jew than it is to Greek. The same Lord of all.... Is rich in mercy unto to all those that call upon His name.
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Biblebeliever said:
Its not a requirement. Its evident.
Even if I believed such nonsense.... What makes you think anyone that has experienced the Grace of God would take the Mark of the Beast? Again. You make a distinction were non exists.
Blaspheme. Its always been Grace through Faith. When Paul went about establishing the truth of the Gospel.... What did he use for evidence? His own epistles? The writings of "John The Beloved".... or maybe he had an advanced copy of 1st and 2nd Peter????
What a turd....
So has it been throughout the ages. Nothing has changed. It will not change tomorrow.... nor will it change during what you think "Jacob's trouble" means.
You need to study it yourself... .and stop reading all those authors that have taught you such. The KJV hasn't taught any such thing. Scofield... maybe. Ruckman... maybe.
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Biblebeliever said:
How many times did you count them? Did someone check your work over? You wouldn't want to make a mistake.
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christundivided said:
Did I say that the a Gentile never got in??? No I did not.
What I am saying though is that the Gospel of the Kingdom is mainly about the Kingdom of Messiah. It is a Messianic Gospel.
There will be Gentiles also that enter into the Millennial Kingdom (See Matthew 25).
christundivided said:
No, what is pitiful is your ignorance of Dispensational truth.
christundivided said:
Well today in the Church Age, when it comes to the foot of the cross, there is no distinction made between Jew and Gentile (See Gal. 3:28).
But after the Rapture of the Body of Christ, God's focus will go back on the Nation of Israel. And there will once again be a distinction. (See Revelation 7:3-12).
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christundivided said:
Yes it is. Read the passage of Revelation 14:9-12. Those in the tribulation will have to endure unto the end. A man or woman cannot take the mark of the beast, because if they do take it, they seal their damnation to the Lake of Fire.
Your ignorance is astounding.
christundivided said:
Well for one thing; there is going to be great deception in the tribulation period. IN fact, the deception is going to be so great, that if it were possible, it would even deceive the very elect! (144,000).
There is going to be a lot of factors of why a person would end up taking the mark of the beast. For one thing, without that mark, a person will not be able to buy nor sell anything (Rev. 13:17).
And no; I showed you already that there is a Distinction between how Salvation is today for a person and how it will be for someone in the time of Jacob's trouble. Anyone with enough sense and discernment can see that the means of salvation in the tribulation will be very different than it is today.
christundivided said:
Wrong. No it has not always been grace through faith. In the Old Testament; people were saved by Faith and by keeping the Law.
christundivided said:
What Paul wrote in his epistles was the revelation of the Gospel of the Grace of God which was commited to Him by the Lord Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11-12).
People back in the Old Testament were not saved the same way we are today. And if you think they were, well then you need to have your head looked at.
christundivided said:
Wrong again. Salvation changes with each Dispensation. That's not heresy. That's Bible Doctrine.
christundivided said:
I do study it and read it.
And you need to get your head out of the Alexandrian Vatican versions if that is what you are using, and return back to God's perfect and preserved word, the King James Bible.
christundivided said:
The Holy Bible does teach distinctions. There are dispensational distinctions in the word of God.
Why do you think that there is a command to study and rightly divide the word of truth?
Because in order to understand the word of God, one of the things you need to do is obey 2 Timothy 2:15. You need to be dispensational.
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T-Bone said:And in heaven there will be a Jewish section & a Gentile section! :
In Heaven there will be things that will solely belong to the Jews. And likewise there will be things which were promised to the Gentiles.
God is a God of Distinction.
Just as at the Judgment Seat of Christ, everyone will receive different rewards. Not everyone is going to get a reward though. Those who did nothing for Christ and did not work on their prayer life and sanctification while on this earth, well they shouldn't expect to receive any reward at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
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Biblebeliever said:
I WAS a dispensationist for more than 20 years. I think I know a few things about it.
It really is difficult to reason with a dispensationist.... when they get cornered.... they just make up a new dispensation to explain their silliness.
God is actively seeking all of mankind. Jew and Gentile alike. Jew's get saved. Gentiles get saved. God is seeking sinners. Paul got in during the time of the Gentiles. So have many many Jews.......Millions.... if not more through this age.... You then have the nerve to say there some special time in which the Gospel will change and focus on the Jew...... It really takes an idiot to be so stupid.
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Biblebeliever said:T-Bone said:And in heaven there will be a Jewish section & a Gentile section! :
In Heaven there will be things that will solely belong to the Jews. And likewise there will be things which were promised to the Gentiles.
God is a God of Distinction.
Just as at the Judgment Seat of Christ, everyone will receive different rewards. Not everyone is going to get a reward though. Those who did nothing for Christ and did not work on their prayer life and sanctification while on this earth, well they shouldn't expect to receive any reward at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
What about that "wall" laying shatter on the ground..... broken.... destroyed that stood between Jew and Gentile.....
Aren't you building that wall again???? at least your theology is...
It really takes an arrogant man to think he knows that God is going to give something to a Jew that he will never give to a Gentile.....
Blasphemer.....