The Grammys: The day the culture died?

[christundivided]

Thanks for being obtuse...

Somebody take a drink!

Whatever happened to Alayman?? It was good to read those words again.... .

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=T-Bone]Certainly Jonah had a problem with sharing God's truth to Nineveh...but I believe he died a bitter old prophet..he paid the price.  I believe we are to be concerned for souls...and we must be able to answer the question appropriately when we share of call out...do we share it because we love them?  I don't always do it with that in mind for sure.  But not to speak out, when it is time to speak out, I find a lack of love also.

I would state that instead of leaning against the cross commanding folks to repent, we'd be on a lot more solid footing (with them and with God) if we were kneeling in front of it with tears of repentance asking others to join us.

I would suggest that there is a time and place for both.  It doesn't seem to me the Bible requires either/or exclusively, but both need to be in our approach.

There's a place to ignore our own brokenness so we can sneer our nose at others?

Don't turn into Patebald---did you intentionally ignore the "both"....never a place to avoid our own brokenness, but in our brokenness we can stand and speak the truth boldly.  Sometimes in tears and sometimes being forthright!  Never in self-righteousness or pride.[/quote]

No...I didn't ignore anything. You stated that there is a time and place to "lean against the cross commanding folks to repent". That would be self-righteousness and pride.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

So it's some amorphous "darkness" and not the actions of an individual that people are complaining about...got it.

No, you don't....but that's not so unusual!
"Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil".

Yet SC specifically said we shouldn't be surprised when ducks don't act like swans (<~~ people) and CU said we should refer to them (<~~ again...this is people) as maggots, something you agreed with.
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As I have told you before, I'm not responsible for your comprehension....or lack thereof...for which I am extremely grateful.

The content of the Grammy's was a reflexion of "the culture".
The culture is often in contrast with "The Kingdom" if you will....darkness and light to use a Biblical reference yet again. One can bemoan the state of the culture....from a sacred or secular point of view without condemning every single individual in said culture.

Something you and pate either don't understand or choose to simply play dumb....in order to argue against a position that neither christundivided, t bone or I have taken.

Dumb or disingenuous!?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=T-Bone]Certainly Jonah had a problem with sharing God's truth to Nineveh...but I believe he died a bitter old prophet..he paid the price.  I believe we are to be concerned for souls...and we must be able to answer the question appropriately when we share of call out...do we share it because we love them?  I don't always do it with that in mind for sure.  But not to speak out, when it is time to speak out, I find a lack of love also.

I would state that instead of leaning against the cross commanding folks to repent, we'd be on a lot more solid footing (with them and with God) if we were kneeling in front of it with tears of repentance asking others to join us.

I would suggest that there is a time and place for both.  It doesn't seem to me the Bible requires either/or exclusively, but both need to be in our approach.

There's a place to ignore our own brokenness so we can sneer our nose at others?

Don't turn into Patebald---did you intentionally ignore the "both"....never a place to avoid our own brokenness, but in our brokenness we can stand and speak the truth boldly.  Sometimes in tears and sometimes being forthright!  Never in self-righteousness or pride.

No...I didn't ignore anything. You stated that there is a time and place to "lean against the cross commanding folks to repent". That would be self-righteousness and pride.
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Got sanctimony?
Oh! The irony!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Thanks for being obtuse...

Somebody take a drink!

Whatever happened to Alayman?? It was good to read those words again.... .

I was thinking about him yesterday....
Come back Chris! 

 

[T-Bone]

[quote author=T-Bone]Certainly Jonah had a problem with sharing God's truth to Nineveh...but I believe he died a bitter old prophet..he paid the price.  I believe we are to be concerned for souls...and we must be able to answer the question appropriately when we share of call out...do we share it because we love them?  I don't always do it with that in mind for sure.  But not to speak out, when it is time to speak out, I find a lack of love also.

I would state that instead of leaning against the cross commanding folks to repent, we'd be on a lot more solid footing (with them and with God) if we were kneeling in front of it with tears of repentance asking others to join us.

I would suggest that there is a time and place for both.  It doesn't seem to me the Bible requires either/or exclusively, but both need to be in our approach.

There's a place to ignore our own brokenness so we can sneer our nose at others?

Don't turn into Patebald---did you intentionally ignore the "both"....never a place to avoid our own brokenness, but in our brokenness we can stand and speak the truth boldly.  Sometimes in tears and sometimes being forthright!  Never in self-righteousness or pride.

No...I didn't ignore anything. You stated that there is a time and place to "lean against the cross commanding folks to repent". That would be self-righteousness and pride.
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Those are your words, not mine, so don't put them in my mouth.  I was clearly talking about our approach being both with brokenness and humility and also with boldness in speaking the truth.  If you don't agree, fine...if you don't understand, I can't help it!

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

So it's some amorphous "darkness" and not the actions of an individual that people are complaining about...got it.

No, you don't....but that's not so unusual!
"Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil".

Yet SC specifically said we shouldn't be surprised when ducks don't act like swans (<~~ people) and CU said we should refer to them (<~~ again...this is people) as maggots, something you agreed with.

As I have told you before, I'm not responsible for your comprehension....or lack thereof...for which I am extremely grateful.

The content of the Grammy's was a reflexion of "the culture".
The culture is often in contrast with "The Kingdom" if you will....darkness and light to use a Biblical reference yet again. One can bemoan the state of the culture....from a sacred or secular point of view without condemning every single individual in said culture.

Something you and pate either don't understand or choose to simply play dumb....in order to argue against a position that neither christundivided, t bone or I have taken.

Dumb or disingenuous!?[/quote]

We can easily clarify:

SC - when you referred to 'ducks' and 'swans', were you referring to individual people or a cultural mass?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=T-Bone]Certainly Jonah had a problem with sharing God's truth to Nineveh...but I believe he died a bitter old prophet..he paid the price.  I believe we are to be concerned for souls...and we must be able to answer the question appropriately when we share of call out...do we share it because we love them?  I don't always do it with that in mind for sure.  But not to speak out, when it is time to speak out, I find a lack of love also.

I would state that instead of leaning against the cross commanding folks to repent, we'd be on a lot more solid footing (with them and with God) if we were kneeling in front of it with tears of repentance asking others to join us.

I would suggest that there is a time and place for both.  It doesn't seem to me the Bible requires either/or exclusively, but both need to be in our approach.

There's a place to ignore our own brokenness so we can sneer our nose at others?

Don't turn into Patebald---did you intentionally ignore the "both"....never a place to avoid our own brokenness, but in our brokenness we can stand and speak the truth boldly.  Sometimes in tears and sometimes being forthright!  Never in self-righteousness or pride.

No...I didn't ignore anything. You stated that there is a time and place to "lean against the cross commanding folks to repent". That would be self-righteousness and pride.

Those are your words, not mine, so don't put them in my mouth.  I was clearly talking about our approach being both with brokenness and humility and also with boldness in speaking the truth.  If you don't agree, fine...if you don't understand, I can't help it!
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"I would suggest that there is a time and place for both."  <~~ Your words

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

So it's some amorphous "darkness" and not the actions of an individual that people are complaining about...got it.

No, you don't....but that's not so unusual!
"Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil".

Yet SC specifically said we shouldn't be surprised when ducks don't act like swans (<~~ people) and CU said we should refer to them (<~~ again...this is people) as maggots, something you agreed with.

As I have told you before, I'm not responsible for your comprehension....or lack thereof...for which I am extremely grateful.

The content of the Grammy's was a reflexion of "the culture".
The culture is often in contrast with "The Kingdom" if you will....darkness and light to use a Biblical reference yet again. One can bemoan the state of the culture....from a sacred or secular point of view without condemning every single individual in said culture.

Something you and pate either don't understand or choose to simply play dumb....in order to argue against a position that neither christundivided, t bone or I have taken.

Dumb or disingenuous!?

We can easily clarify:

SC - when you referred to 'ducks' and 'swans', were you referring to individual people or a cultural mass?
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Quote from: Tarheel Baptist
I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

Dumb or disingenuous?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Quote from: Tarheel Baptist
I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

Dumb or disingenuous?[/quote]

We'll find out.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Quote from: Tarheel Baptist
I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

Dumb or disingenuous?

We'll find out.
[/quote]

Does your mother know? 
I believe and based my response on my assumption.
Are you dumb or disingenuous?
Really.....

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Quote from: Tarheel Baptist
I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

Dumb or disingenuous?

We'll find out.

Does your mother know? 
I believe and based my response on my assumption.
Are you dumb or disingenuous?
Really.....[/quote]

So you redefined the terms with no indication of having done so and expect people to be able to read your mind. Better yet, the fact that people cannot read your mind is evidence of a their comprehension problems, which are not your responsibility because they should be able to read your mind or something...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Quote from: Tarheel Baptist
I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

Dumb or disingenuous?

We'll find out.

Does your mother know? 
I believe and based my response on my assumption.
Are you dumb or disingenuous?
Really.....

So you redefined the terms with no indication of having done so and expect people to be able to read your mind. Better yet, the fact that people cannot read your mind is evidence of a their comprehension problems, which are not your responsibility because they should be able to read your mind or something...
[/quote]

You're right...I intended to call every lost person, past present and future a maggot...and have NO interest in their welfare....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I don't believe the comparison was to individuals...but to 'light and darkness'. 

So it's some amorphous "darkness" and not the actions of an individual that people are complaining about...got it.

No, you don't....but that's not so unusual!
"Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil".

Yet SC specifically said we shouldn't be surprised when ducks don't act like swans (<~~ people) and CU said we should refer to them (<~~ again...this is people) as maggots, something you agreed with.

As I have told you before, I'm not responsible for your comprehension....or lack thereof...for which I am extremely grateful.

The content of the Grammy's was a reflexion of "the culture".
The culture is often in contrast with "The Kingdom" if you will....darkness and light to use a Biblical reference yet again. One can bemoan the state of the culture....from a sacred or secular point of view without condemning every single individual in said culture.

Something you and pate either don't understand or choose to simply play dumb....in order to argue against a position that neither christundivided, t bone or I have taken.

Dumb or disingenuous!?

We can easily clarify:

SC - when you referred to 'ducks' and 'swans', were you referring to individual people or a cultural mass?
[/quote]

Cultural mass.

 

[Izdaari]

I don't understand anything on the last two pages.  :

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Smellin Coffee]Cultural mass.[/quote]

TB - I was mistaken as to what SC was referring to. I apologize.

Does anyone have any good recipes for crow?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

[quote author=Smellin Coffee]Cultural mass.

TB - I was mistaken as to what SC was referring to. I apologize.

Does anyone have any good recipes for crow?
[/quote]

One must realize, the culture is made up of individuals.

My point is that we are shocked that the ducks (worldly culture) act like ducks (worldly culture) and not like swans (graceful culture). That was the intent of my analogy.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

http://nypost.com/2014/01/28/beyonce-jay-z-this-is-marriage/

Is this sword of the Lord?

One doesn't have to be an evangelical Christian, much less an Xer to bemoan the "culture".

It's just sad....to me at least.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Smellin Coffee]Cultural mass.

TB - I was mistaken as to what SC was referring to. I apologize.

Does anyone have any good recipes for crow?

One must realize, the culture is made up of individuals.

My point is that we are shocked that the ducks (worldly culture) act like ducks (worldly culture) and not like swans (graceful culture). That was the intent of my analogy.
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And your point is well taken....but that doesn't mean we are wrong to offer social commentary.

Even Paul agrees with your point....
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (ESV)
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

 

[Smellin Coffee]

And your point is well taken....but that doesn't mean we are wrong to offer social commentary.


Unfortunately, it is a personality quirk of mine that I tend to be a problem solver. Most of the time I don't like hearing complaint when there is no resolution or help for another. Not saying social commentary is wrong, I just don't see it as being helpful. But like I said, it is a personal preference on my part.

Even Paul agrees with your point....
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 (ESV)
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”


And what did Jesus teach in His parable of wheat and tares?