The Israeli attack on Iran.

[illinoisguy]

It took us 20 years to figure out that our nation-building regime-change war in Afghanistan wasn't working out so good, and yes, the war in Iraq wasn't such a good thing for America either. We need to get ready for a "long hard slog" in Iran, too.

If the war with Iran doesn't turn out so good, there will probably be a certain amount of backlash against all those who promoted it - Bibi, AIPAC, Republican politicians, Christian Zionists, Dispensationalists, people like Ted Cruz who say God commands us to support modern Israel but can't tell us where it says that in the Bible. My hope and prayer is that no Jews will be harmed or persecuted as a result. Many Jews do not support Bibi's warlike agenda and they should not have to suffer because of Bibi who falsely claims to represent all Jews.

Leading Jews Attack Netanyahu’s Wars - LewRockwell

On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes.” Olmert, who was Prime Minister of...

www.lewrockwell.com

"On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes. . . .

"In a speech in the Senate a few months later, Schumer said he would not 'label most criticism of Israel and the Israeli government as antisemitic. I don’t believe that criticism is.'

"Now, though, because of massive campaign contributions for members of Congress, or fear of campaign contributions against them, directed by the Israel Lobby, both the U.S. Congress and our policy in the Middle East are totally controlled by Netanyahu. He led us into an unnecessary war in Iraq and now in Iran." - Rep. John Duncan

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

It took us 20 years to figure out that our nation-building regime-change war in Afghanistan wasn't working out so good, and yes, the war in Iraq wasn't such a good thing for America either. We need to get ready for a "long hard slog" in Iran, too.

If the war with Iran doesn't turn out so good, there will probably be a certain amount of backlash against all those who promoted it - Bibi, AIPAC, Republican politicians, Christian Zionists, Dispensationalists, people like Ted Cruz who say God commands us to support modern Israel but can't tell us where it says that in the Bible. My hope and prayer is that no Jews will be harmed or persecuted as a result. Many Jews do not support Bibi's warlike agenda and they should not have to suffer because of Bibi who falsely claims to represent all Jews.

Leading Jews Attack Netanyahu’s Wars - LewRockwell

On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes.” Olmert, who was Prime Minister of...

www.lewrockwell.com

"On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes. . . .

"In a speech in the Senate a few months later, Schumer said he would not 'label most criticism of Israel and the Israeli government as antisemitic. I don’t believe that criticism is.'

"Now, though, because of massive campaign contributions for members of Congress, or fear of campaign contributions against them, directed by the Israel Lobby, both the U.S. Congress and our policy in the Middle East are totally controlled by Netanyahu. He led us into an unnecessary war in Iraq and now in Iran." - Rep. John Duncan

The assumption you’re making is that we, the US, will end up in a prolonged ground war in Iran? What, besides reading Lew, is your evidence that we’re headed in that direction?
If so, it will be a disaster for Trump. As it stands now Trump is doing fine with his who knows what I’m going to do strategy. And he’s also fine politically.

 

[biscuit1953]

It took us 20 years to figure out that our nation-building regime-change war in Afghanistan wasn't working out so good, and yes, the war in Iraq wasn't such a good thing for America either. We need to get ready for a "long hard slog" in Iran, too.

If the war with Iran doesn't turn out so good, there will probably be a certain amount of backlash against all those who promoted it - Bibi, AIPAC, Republican politicians, Christian Zionists, Dispensationalists, people like Ted Cruz who say God commands us to support modern Israel but can't tell us where it says that in the Bible. My hope and prayer is that no Jews will be harmed or persecuted as a result. Many Jews do not support Bibi's warlike agenda and they should not have to suffer because of Bibi who falsely claims to represent all Jews.

Leading Jews Attack Netanyahu’s Wars - LewRockwell

On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes.” Olmert, who was Prime Minister of...

www.lewrockwell.com

"On May 27, Ehud Olmert, a former Prime Minister of Israel, published a column in which he wrote: “What we are doing in Gaza now is a war of devastation: indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians…Yes, Israel is committing war crimes. . . .

"In a speech in the Senate a few months later, Schumer said he would not 'label most criticism of Israel and the Israeli government as antisemitic. I don’t believe that criticism is.'

"Now, though, because of massive campaign contributions for members of Congress, or fear of campaign contributions against them, directed by the Israel Lobby, both the U.S. Congress and our policy in the Middle East are totally controlled by Netanyahu. He led us into an unnecessary war in Iraq and now in Iran." - Rep. John Duncan

President Trump’s goal is to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Period. The goal is not to get us into a “long hard slog” in Iran. It isn’t right to slur Donald Trump by implying he is “nation-building.” Donald Trump is not talking about a long drawn out war with Iran but simply destroying their ability to build a nuclear arsenal capable of hitting not just Israel but the United States.

One final thing that is infuriating. You paint Israel as having a “warlike agenda” but the fact is Israel is only 8,630 square miles making up about 0.16% of the combined land mass of the surrounding 22 Arab countries and has never initiated a war with them since its establishment in 1948. To these Muslim countries as well as many who call themselves Christians they believe the Jews have no right to a homeland anywhere in the world! The idea that Israel should allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is suicidal. Your self-righteous statement that you hope “no Jews will be harmed or persecuted as a result” (of Israel defending itself from genocide) is shameful. You don’t have to be a “Dispensationalist” or “Zionist” to believe in decency or fairness and although you may not believe in the prophecies concerning the literal regathering of the Jews to their homeland there are many reformed Christians who disagree with you.

Major Wars:

• 1948 Arab-Israeli War: Following Israel's declaration of independence, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria attacked Israel.
• Suez Crisis (1956): Egypt's nationalization of the Suez Canal led to an attack on Egypt by a coalition including Israel, France, and Britain.
• Six-Day War (1967): Israel launched a preemptive strike in response to perceived threats from its Arab neighbors, including Egypt and Syria, and also defeated Jordanian attacks.
• War of Attrition (1967-1970): Egypt initiated this limited war to regain the Sinai Peninsula from Israel.
• Yom Kippur War (1973): Egypt and Syria launched a surprise attack on Israel.
• 1982 Lebanon War: Israel invaded Lebanon to expel the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) from its bases there.
• 2006 Lebanon War: Hezbollah, a Lebanese militant group, launched an operation against Israel.
• Gaza Wars (various dates): There have been several instances of conflict between Israel and Hamas-controlled Gaza, including the 2008-2009 Gaza War (Operation Cast Lead) and the 2014 Gaza War (Operation Protective Edge).
• Israel-Hamas War (2023-present): Hamas led a major surprise attack against Israel, triggering a new war.

Other Significant Conflicts and Attacks:

• Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency (1950s–1960s): Palestinian militants from Syria, Egypt, and Jordan infiltrated Israel to carry out attacks.
• Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971–1982): The PLO launched attacks on Israel from South Lebanon.
• First Intifada (1987–1993): A large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israeli rule in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
• Second Intifada (2000–2005): A period of intensified violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

 

[illinoisguy]

Here is where I got the idea that we may get into a prolonged ground war in Iran (I don't know if we will or not):

There Is No Such Thing as a Quick U.S. War on Iran

Almost a week after Israel launched an unprovoked military offensive against Iran, the Trump administration is on the verge of sending U.S. aircraft to join the fight directly.

www.dropsitenews.com

"A U.S. war with Iran focused on stopping Tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, rather than beginning and ending with the destruction of Fordow, would need to extend to a much broader campaign of searching for and destroying new and undisclosed nuclear sites across the country, particularly as Iran is likely to respond to an attack by diverting nuclear equipment to other sites across its vast territory.

"Iran has built a sprawling civilian nuclear program with thousands of scientists and a large number of critical sites. A war aimed at stopping a nuclear weapon would need to be long and expansive, potentially even including a ground component to search for undisclosed sites and verify the level of damage from air attacks."

I don't pretend to know how the war in Iran will go. It may be a lot better than we think - or a lot worse, just like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[biscuit1953]

Here is where I got the idea that we may get into a prolonged ground war in Iran (I don't know if we will or not):

There Is No Such Thing as a Quick U.S. War on Iran

Almost a week after Israel launched an unprovoked military offensive against Iran, the Trump administration is on the verge of sending U.S. aircraft to join the fight directly.

www.dropsitenews.com

"A U.S. war with Iran focused on stopping Tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, rather than beginning and ending with the destruction of Fordow, would need to extend to a much broader campaign of searching for and destroying new and undisclosed nuclear sites across the country, particularly as Iran is likely to respond to an attack by diverting nuclear equipment to other sites across its vast territory.

"Iran has built a sprawling civilian nuclear program with thousands of scientists and a large number of critical sites. A war aimed at stopping a nuclear weapon would need to be long and expansive, potentially even including a ground component to search for undisclosed sites and verify the level of damage from air attacks."

I don't pretend to know how the war in Iran will go. It may be a lot better than we think - or a lot worse, just like Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

President Trump isn't in a war with Iran. He simply wants to prevent them from building a nuclear arsenal that would be a threat to the United States and the whole world. Bibi, Donald Trump and no other world leader is without faults but they are Mother Teresa compared to the radical regime in Iran that has brought death and destruction beyond human imagination.

 

[Ekklesian]

I stand with Israeli

Of course. You know how unlucky it would be to offend the L'Chaimprechauns

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Trump evidently doesn’t read the fff or surely this would never have happened.

U.S. launches strikes on 3 Iranian nuclear facilities, Trump says

The U.S. reached out to Iran diplomatically to say the strikes are all the U.S. plans and that regime change efforts are not planned, sources said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Ekklesian]

Well, well, well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936891160661790760

I don't believe President Trump has any intentions of putting boots on the ground.

President Trump isn't President Bush. He would have never had thousands of American troops killed in Iraq and Afganistan and I don't believe he will send boots on the ground against Iran either.

I don5 think most Americans will want/support an extended war…especially if it involves our troops actively involved. I don’t see that happening in Iran…but stranger things have happened.

I will state right now that I am opposed to putting American boots on the ground in Iran full stop but I don’t believe President Trump has any intention of doing that. ...President Trump has been clear so far that Israel must fight its own wars but there is nothing wrong with the United States supporting its closest ally and the only democracy in that region.

For anyone who thinks the MAGA movement is disintegrating and wringing their hands that Donald Trump is going to turn into George Bush with getting us into endless wars you are wrong in my opinion.

President Trump’s goal is to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Period.

President Trump isn't in a war with Iran. He simply wants to prevent them from building a nuclear arsenal that would be a threat to the United States and the whole world.

Naturally, you'll change your stance, because...you know...Genesis 12:3 and all that. Let's wait and see what blessings await us as we fight Israel's battles.

 

[biscuit1953]

Well, well, well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936891160661790760

Naturally, you'll change your stance, because...you know...Genesis 12:3 and all that. Let's wait and see what blessings await us as we fight Israel's battles.

The prophecies concerning Israel will come to pass literally regardless of what you or anyone else thinks. I believe we are on the doorstep of the Lord Jesus Christ returning to the earth. I will let Jack Hibbs speak for me as far as my understanding.

 

[biscuit1953]

"A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-says-countries-now-ready-supply-iran-nuclear-weapons-2088979

The nations are lining up against Israel as prophesied in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 in the “last days” led by Russia out of the north parts (Eze 38:15). The result of that battle is found in Ezekiel 38:17-23 when God intervenes.

 

[Ekklesian]

The prophecies concerning Israel will come to pass literally regardless of what you or anyone else thinks. I believe we are on the doorstep of the Lord Jesus Christ returning to the earth. I will let Jack Hibbs speak for me as far as my understanding.

How many times do your predictions need to fail before you realize you aren't hearing Christ on the matter?

 

[biscuit1953]

The prophecies concerning Israel will come to pass literally regardless of what you or anyone else thinks. I believe we are on the doorstep of the Lord Jesus Christ returning to the earth. I will let Jack Hibbs speak for me as far as my understanding.

How many times do your predictions need to fail before you realize you aren't hearing Christ on the matter?

Nothing has failed. The Jews were regathered from all nations of the world never to be scattered again (Isaiah 11:11; Amos 9:13-15). The "Valley of Dry Bones" prophecy in Ezekiel 37 took place on May 14, 1948. Eventually Jesus will return and the Jews will look upon the one they have pierced and shall mourn for Him, as one mourns for his only son (Zech 12:10). Then Jesus will set up His Millennial Kingdom to reign with a rod of iron for a thousand years upon the earth (Revelation 20). Donald Trump, Putin nor any other man can prevent what is prophesied from coming to pass.

 

[Ransom]

The prophecies concerning Israel will come to pass literally regardless of what you or anyone else thinks. I believe we are on the doorstep of the Lord Jesus Christ returning to the earth

You mean it this time, Mr. Lindsey?

 

[illinoisguy]

Biscuit, Jack Hibbs, John Hagee and the other prophecy experts are saying that the current events in the Middle East are leading up to the Ezekiel 38 Iranian invasion of Israel, which means the Rapture is near. I don't understand how our bombing Iran back into the Stone Age (or even back into the Bronze Age) would facilitate the fulfillment of that prophecy. If we have rendered Iran incapable of mounting such an invasion, which is regarded as associated with the Rapture (even though there is absolutely nothing in Ezekiel 37 through 39 that mentions or hints at the Rapture) then wouldn't our military action against Iran put the Rapture on hold, perhaps for centuries?

It doesn't really matter, since I don't believe our foreign or military policies should be directed at attempting the fulfillment of speculative prophetic scenarios (and I am not accusing anyone here of advocating that). My understanding of the Ezekiel 38 prophecy is that it already happened in ancient times, as shown by the references to archaic weaponry and to all the invading troops being mounted on horses. No armies nowadays travel on horseback or fight with shields, bucklers, bows and arrows, handstaves and spears. To spiritualize these references into modern weapons of combat would be a violation of the sacred principle of dispensational interpretation of prophecy (literal if possible) so this must have been an ancient invasion of Israel, probably that by Antiochus Epiphanes in 168 BC.

I assume that those who disagree with this assessment, and who believe that the Rapture is near based on current events in the Middle East, are currently liquidating their assets, real estate and church buildings and giving away the proceeds - you don't want to leave it all for the Beast, now do you?

 

[biscuit1953]

Biscuit, Jack Hibbs, John Hagee and the other prophecy experts are saying that the current events in the Middle East are leading up to the Ezekiel 38 Iranian invasion of Israel, which means the Rapture is near. I don't understand how our bombing Iran back into the Stone Age (or even back into the Bronze Age) would facilitate the fulfillment of that prophecy. If we have rendered Iran incapable of mounting such an invasion, which is regarded as associated with the Rapture (even though there is absolutely nothing in Ezekiel 37 through 39 that mentions or hints at the Rapture) then wouldn't our military action against Iran put the Rapture on hold, perhaps for centuries?

It doesn't really matter, since I don't believe our foreign or military policies should be directed at attempting the fulfillment of speculative prophetic scenarios (and I am not accusing anyone here of advocating that). My understanding of the Ezekiel 38 prophecy is that it already happened in ancient times, as shown by the references to archaic weaponry and to all the invading troops being mounted on horses. No armies nowadays travel on horseback or fight with shields, bucklers, bows and arrows, handstaves and spears. To spiritualize these references into modern weapons of combat would be a violation of the sacred principle of dispensational interpretation of prophecy (literal if possible) so this must have been an ancient invasion of Israel, probably that by Antiochus Epiphanes in 168 BC.

I assume that those who disagree with this assessment, and who believe that the Rapture is near based on current events in the Middle East, are currently liquidating their assets, real estate and church buildings and giving away the proceeds - you don't want to leave it all for the Beast, now do you?

The nations described in Ezekiel 37 line up with current events. I don't know the exact timeline any more than you do. The problem is you deny the prophecies concerning the miraculous regathering and restoration of the Jews who have not been a sovereign nation since the Babylonian invasion. The prophecies have always been literal in the past and there is no reason to make the prophecies anything other than that. I know we don't agree but I'm okay with that. We will eventually find out who is right.

 

[subllibrm]

You mean it this time, Mr. Lindsey?

For realz and the good old God fearing US of A will be there on the mountain, fighting side by side with the Hebrew children. Because prophecy.

 

[biscuit1953]

Biscuit, Jack Hibbs, John Hagee and the other prophecy experts

I don't put John Hagee in the same category as Jack Hibbs. Hagee is unsound in doctrine and just because he believes God isn't through with the Jews (just like Spurgeon, Sproul and other Reformed theologians do) that doesn't mean anyone who agrees with a particular point he makes is wrong.

 

[Ransom]

I don't put John Hagee in the same category as Jack Hibbs. Hagee is unsound in doctrine and just because he believes God isn't through with the Jews (just like Spurgeon, Sproul and other Reformed theologians do)

No, Hagee doesn't. He is a two-covenant heretic who believes Jesus never claimed to be the Jewish Messiah. Kindly do not lump that fool in with the likes of Spurgeon and Sproul.

 

[Ekklesian]

For realz and the good old God fearing US of A will be there on the mountain, fighting dying side by side with the Hebrew children. Because prophecy.

Yes, because war is the benefit we reap from our alliance with Israel. This friendship is so one-sided.

 

[subllibrm]

Yes, because war is the benefit we reap from our alliance with Israel. This friendship is so one-sided.

One of the very first chinks in the armor of the tale was the idea that the US has any role in the final battle. The basic premise is that Israel will be surrounded facing annihilation and Jesus will step in to destroy the attacking hoards. But if it's the Jews against everybody then the US will have to be part of the attacking armies. Because there's no mention of another ally we will either be fighting against them or have been rendered irrelevant by then.