THE Jesse Jackson

The Vineyards have always had harsh words towards the parents/relatives of students who left OBC/WHBC to go mainstream. The Vineyards tend to still have ill will towards Jesse and the Vineyards gave a sharp tongue lashing to Ross for letting Jesse (his grandson leave) but Ross remained loyal to the Vineyards. Tony Keeton who defended Jesse for leaving saw the light 5 years later and split and WHBS hasn't been the same since he left. There's no doubt that Tommy V is trying to recruit his former proteges Caleb Garraway and Michael Shaver back to the flock but Shaver (who still remains loyal to the IFB and the Vineyards) is working in his father's church and Caleb is touring America as an evangelist. One of Jesse's mentors false teacher Craig Groeschel seems to be the right person to step in and give the Vineyards a huge deal on the property and turn it into another satellite campus for Groeschel.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
The Vineyards have always had harsh words towards the parents/relatives of students who left OBC/WHBC to go mainstream. The Vineyards tend to still have ill will towards Jesse and the Vineyards gave a sharp tongue lashing to Ross for letting Jesse (his grandson leave) but Ross remained loyal to the Vineyards. Tony Keeton who defended Jesse for leaving saw the light 5 years later and split and WHBS hasn't been the same since he left. There's no doubt that Tommy V is trying to recruit his former proteges Caleb Garraway and Michael Shaver back to the flock but Shaver (who still remains loyal to the IFB and the Vineyards) is working in his father's church and Caleb is touring America as an evangelist. One of Jesse's mentors false teacher Craig Groeschel seems to be the right person to step in and give the Vineyards a huge deal on the property and turn it into another satellite campus for Groeschel.
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Did you hear how Tom Vineyard lambasted Alvin Martinez for compromising and using a secular music?
 
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Trieber and Hutson are ok with southern gospel music and Alvin sang background vocals with the Gaither band and has sung background vocals on many Bay Area CCM records.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
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Trieber and Hutson are ok with southern gospel music and Alvin sang background vocals with the Gaither band and has sung background vocals on many Bay Area CCM records.
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Trieber smacked Alvin in the face for singing Gaither songs in 1994.
 
I heard Alvin was was suicidal for longest time after failing his master :/
 
In 1999, Alvin, DJ "Fatty Arbuckle" Uson, and Tim Trieber did an improv acoustic concert at a coffee shop in San Francisco but when Jack Trieber found out he shrugged it off because his "Timmy T" was there. They did a really good rendition of Orleans' "Dance With Me" and Extreme's "More Than Words".
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
In 1999, Alvin, DJ "Fatty Arbuckle" Uson, and Tim Trieber did an improv acoustic concert at a coffee shop in San Francisco but when Jack Trieber found out he shrugged it off because his "Timmy T" was there. They did a really good rendition of Orleans' "Dance With Me" and Extreme's "More Than Words".
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Tim Trieber and Alvin aren't good friends, that is why Trieber is leaving because Jacky Trieber likes Alvin more than Timmy.
 
Probably because Alvin remained loyal and Timmy wanted go seeker sensitive and mainstream. Timmy is a big fan of false teacher Louie Giglio. Giglio  goes back and forth between evangelicalism and TBN Prosperity/Seeker Sensitive crowd as does Matt Chandler and Tony Hutson and Larry Brown call them compromisers.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Probably because Alvin remained loyal and Timmy wanted go seeker sensitive and mainstream. Timmy is a big fan of false teacher Louie Giglio. Giglio  goes back and forth between evangelicalism and TBN Prosperity/Seeker Sensitive crowd as does Matt Chandler and Tony Hutson and Larry Brown call them compromisers.
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Louie Giglio is a senator from Louisiana.
 
Giglio is a false teacher who goes back and forth between evangelicalism and the TBN Prosperity preaching as he's preached on TBN and for TBN/PTL Club pastors. He's been criticized by John MacArthur's crowd as well as by fundamentalists. Giglio is also a mentor of Joel McCarty and Jesse Jackson.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Giglio is a false teacher who goes back and forth between evangelicalism and the TBN Prosperity preaching as he's preached on TBN and for TBN/PTL Club pastors. He's been criticized by John MacArthur's crowd as well as by fundamentalists. Giglio is also a mentor of Joel McCarty and Jesse Jackson.
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Senator from Louisiana.
 
Well Giglio is a false teacher as is Matt Chandler. They are what Tony Hutson calls "Compromisers".

I can imagine the talk the Vineyards had with Ross over his grandson going "Mainstream" and "Seeker Sensitive". Tony Keeton probably got an earful too because he allegedly supported Jesse's decision.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Well Giglio is a false teacher as is Matt Chandler. They are what Tony Hutson calls "Compromisers".

I can imagine the talk the Vineyards had with Ross over his grandson going "Mainstream" and "Seeker Sensitive". Tony Keeton probably got an earful too because he allegedly supported Jesse's decision.
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Matt Chandler is pretty conservative. Giglio is a conservative Senator from Louisiana.
 
Well Bob Ross' grandson Jesse Jackson left OBC/WHBC to go seeker sensitive. That didn't sit well with Vineyard because when staff members relatives leave IFB's to go "Mainstream" that's the cardinal sin according to Vineyard. Jesse is now a professional bodybuilder and is the personal trainer to Seeker Sensitive TBN/PTL Club prosperity teacher Keith Craft.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Well Bob Ross' grandson Jesse Jackson left OBC/WHBC to go seeker sensitive. That didn't sit well with Vineyard because when staff members relatives leave IFB's to go "Mainstream" that's the cardinal sin according to Vineyard. Jesse is now a professional bodybuilder and is the personal trainer to Seeker Sensitive TBN/PTL Club prosperity teacher Keith Craft.
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Jesse Jackson is a Civil Rights Activist.
 
That boy ain't right. Just imagine if he was at HAC during the days of Jack Hyles and had relatives on staff at HAC/FBCH and left the flock. Hyles would have burried him in the sermon and then humiliated the staff members relatives as well.
 
Yeah Hyles wouldn't like it if he had staff members kids at HAC and they left to go mainstream. He'd humiliate them in the pulpit and their relatives on staff. I'm sure the Vineyards had a long "private" talk with Ross over Jesse leaving the flock to become a bodybuilder and a seeker sensitive church goer at the carnal Elevate Church in Frisco pastored by false teacher Keith Craft who loves money, Joel Osteen, and TBN/PTL club more than God.
 
TonyHutsonComedian said:
That boy ain't right. Just imagine if he was at HAC during the days of Jack Hyles and had relatives on staff at HAC/FBCH and left the flock. Hyles would have burried him in the sermon and then humiliated the staff members relatives as well.
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I'm a girl so that means Hyles would have invited me to his office.
 
Let's get back on topic. If you want to get in shape head down to Dallas/Ft. Worth where Jesse Jackson is a personal trainer and professional bodybuilder. Wonder what he thinks of the old camp and the Vineyards. Does he regret not being a "preacher boy" anymore? Wonder what he thinks of the success of former classmates Caleb Garraway who's "Pulling America" and singing on Alvin Martinez gospel record albums.
 
AlvinMartinezVoice said:
Let's get back on topic. If you want to get in shape head down to Dallas/Ft. Worth where Jesse Jackson is a personal trainer and professional bodybuilder. Wonder what he thinks of the old camp and the Vineyards. Does he regret not being a "preacher boy" anymore? Wonder what he thinks of the success of former classmates Caleb Garraway who's "Pulling America" and singing on Alvin Martinez gospel record albums.
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He's the one that brought up Hyles thus beginning the opening of a new can of worms. Let's begin with Jack Hyles where there was a mysterious door between his office and his secretary or whomever.
 
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