The last time I attended a service at FBCH

IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
FBCH has no doctrinal integrity.

At all?  On no doctrine??  :eek:

ok, where have they taken a stand doctrinally? Where?

You mean they don't believe in the Diety of Christ?

They don't believe in salvation by grace through faith?
I can't believe it!

Can you give an example or post a sermon or lesson where this was stated.
 
sword said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
FBCH has no doctrinal integrity.

At all?  On no doctrine??  :eek:

ok, where have they taken a stand doctrinally? Where?

You mean they don't believe in the Diety of Christ?

They don't believe in salvation by grace through faith?
I can't believe it!

Can you give an example or post a sermon or lesson where this was stated.

Hey, I don't attend there.  That's why I'm asking the question. 
 
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
FBCH has no doctrinal integrity.

At all?  On no doctrine??  :eek:

ok, where have they taken a stand doctrinally? Where?

You mean they don't believe in the Diety of Christ?

They don't believe in salvation by grace through faith?

I can't believe it!

Can you give an example or post a sermon or lesson where this was stated.

When was the last time they taught doctrine from the pulpit?

I mean besides the time JS said that the Lords table was like having spiritual intercourse.
 
Bruh said:
Can you give an example or post a sermon or lesson where this was stated.

When was the last time they taught doctrine from the pulpit?

Well, I went to their YouTube page and they don't title the messages so it's impossible to know what the subject is unless you listen.

So I picked out a couple and noticed, first of all, the horrible hum in the audio.  But neither message was about a particular doctrine.

So please someone report that they do teach doctrine from the pulpit.
 
IFB X-Files said:
sword said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
Bruh said:
FBCH has no doctrinal integrity.

At all?  On no doctrine??  :eek:

ok, where have they taken a stand doctrinally? Where?

You mean they don't believe in the Diety of Christ?

They don't believe in salvation by grace through faith?
I can't believe it!

Can you give an example or post a sermon or lesson where this was stated.

Hey, I don't attend there.  That's why I'm asking the question.

Here ya go quote from our By-Laws.
These were produced by the deacons and ratified by the membership.
They were deliberately simplified to be easier for people to read as opposed to the Philadelphia confession.
We have many factions in our church such as extreme KJVO and those that readily use NA-27 and modern versions we had to have a statement of faith acceptable by all the membership.

ARTICLE 2
STATEMENT OF FAITH AND COVENANT
SECTION 2.01?STATEMENT OF FAITH
(A) God
We believe in the one1 true and living2 God, the Creator of all things.3God is eternal,4 existing from everlasting to everlasting.5 This one true God consists of three: the Father, the Word (or Son), and the Holy Ghost,6 Who together in perfect unity7 are one.8 We are to have no other gods before Him.9
1 Mark 12:32; I Timothy 2:5; 2 Jeremiah 10:10; I Thessalonians 1:9; 3 Isaiah 40:28; Ephesians 3:9; 4 Deuteronomy 33:27; 5 Psalm 90:2; 6 Isaiah 48:16; Matthew 28:18-20; I John 5:7; 7 John 17:11 & 22; 8 John 10:30; 9 Exodus 20:3.

(B) Scripture
We believe the Word of God as found in the sixty-six (66) books from Genesis to Revelation is infallible and inerrant and perfect;1 it is the plenary and verbally inspired2 words of God to men.3 We believe God has also preserved every single word4 through the ages.
1 Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; 2 II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:21; 3 Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; 4 Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; I Peter 1:25.

(C) Creation
We believe all things were created by God the Father.1 We believe that the Word (the Son of God) was with God and that all things were made by and through Him and that without Him was not anything made that was made.2 We believe that the Spirit of God moved upon Creation and was also instrumental in bringing man to life.3 The original Creation was completed in six literal days.4
1 Genesis 1:1; Malachi 2:10; Ephesians 3:9; 2 John 1:1-14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2; 3 Genesis 1:2; Job 33:4; 4 Genesis 1:1-2:3; Exodus 20:11.

(D) Christ Jesus
We believe that Jesus is the Christ, the virgin-born, sinless Son of God.1 We believe that Jesus is from everlasting,2 that Jesus is before all things,3 and that from the beginning Jesus was with God and was God.4 Jesus is the First and the Last,5 the Author and Finisher of our faith,6 and the Almighty.7 Without ceasing to be God,8 Jesus became flesh.9 Jesus is the only Saviour,10 the Head of the church,11 and the only Mediator between God and man.12
1 Matthew 16:16-17; John 20:31; 2 Micah 5:2; 3 Colossians 1:17; 4 John 1:1-14; 5 Revelation 2:8; 6 Hebrews 12:2; 7 Revelation 11:17; 8 Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8; 9 John 1:14; I Timothy 3:16; 10 Luke 2:11; Acts 4:12; 11 Ephesians 5:23; Colossians 1:18; 12 I Timothy 2:5.

(E) Holy Ghost
We believe that the Holy Ghost is God.1 The Holy Ghost reproves the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.2 The Holy Ghost indwells all believers,3 bearing witness that they are sons of God,4 and is the earnest of their salvation,5 sealing them unto the day of redemption.6 It is God?s will to pour out His Spirit on all of us in these last days,7 enduing us with power that we might be more effective witnesses.8 The Holy Ghost also imparts spiritual gifts,9 but does so as He wills.10 While signs and wonders may follow them that believe,11 we are not to seek after signs or sign gifts.12
1 Acts 5:3-4; I John 5:7; 2 John 16:7-15; 3 Romans 8:9; I Corinthians 3:16; I Corinthians 6:19; 4 Romans 8:16; I John 4:13;
5 II Corinthians 1:22; II Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14; 6 Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30; 7 Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-18; 8 Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-8; 9 I Corinthians 12:1-10; 10 I Corinthians 12:11; 11 Mark 16:15-20; 12 Matthew 12:39; I Corinthians 12:28-31.

(F) Satan
We believe that Satan is a created being,1an anointed cherub.2 Iniquity was found in him,3 being lifted up in pride; he rebelled against God4 and was cast out from his position in Heaven.5 Satan tempts man6 and is a murderer,7 the father of lies,8 and the accuser of the brethren.9 Satan is to be resisted by us10 but not feared.11 We look forward to the day when he will be thrust through with the Sword coming out of Christ?s mouth,12 trampled under our feet,13 and cast into the lake of fire.14
1 Ezekiel 28:15; 2 Ezekiel 28:14; 3 Ezekiel 28:15; 4 Isaiah 14:13-14; 5 Isaiah 14:12; Ezekiel 28:16; Luke 10:18; 6 Genesis 3:1-15; Mark 1:13; 7 John 8:44; 8 John 8:44; 9 Revelation 12:10; 10 James 4:7-8; I Peter 5:8-9; 11 Matthew 10:28; 12 Isaiah 14:19; Revelation 19:15; 13 Isaiah 14:19; Romans 16:20; 14 Isaiah 14:19; Revelation 20:10.

(G) Devils
We believe that Satan was followed in his rebellion by a group of angels.1 These fallen angels (known as demons or devils) make up the principalities, the powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places, against which we wrestle.2 The power of3 God that is in us is greater than the powers of darkness.3 Jesus demonstrated this by casting out devils with His word4, and, as Jesus said, with the finger of God.5
1 Matthew 25:41; II Peter 2:4; 2 Ephesians 6:12; 3 I John 4:4; 4 Matthew 8:16; 5 Luke 11:20.

(H) Man
We believe that man was created in the image of God.1 God breathed into man, and man became a living soul.2 Man?s soul will last forever.3 God created man for Himself,4 for His own glory5 and pleasure,6 and has a very specific will for man.7
1 Genesis 1:26; Genesis 9:6; I Corinthians 11:7; 2 Genesis 2:7; 3 Ecclesiastes 3:21; Ecclesiastes 12:7; Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:46; 4 Colossians 1:16; 5 Isaiah 43:7; 6 Revelation 4:11; 7 Ephesians 2:10.

(I) Sin
We believe that, through the first man, sin came into the world and death by sin.1 Everyone born of Adam has followed him in sinning against God, so death passed upon all men.2 The heart of sinful man is deceitful and desperately wicked.3 Therefore, every man has gone astray after his own way4 and has earned the wages of death and Hell.5 Every man is held accountable to God for his own sin.6
1 Genesis 3:1-19; Romans 5:12; 2 Romans 3:23; Romans 5:12; 3 Jeremiah 17:9; 4 Isaiah 53:6; 5 Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:14-15; 6 Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 14:12.

(J) Salvation
We believe that God in His love1 provided salvation2 by sending His Son3 to become sin for us,4 taking the penalty of death upon Himself,5 dying in our place,6 shedding His own blood7 as the only acceptable atonement for our sin.8 Christ was buried9 and rose again the third day.10 This salvation is available as a free gift11 of God?s grace12 to all who will receive Him by faith.13 At the moment one stops trusting in his own way14 and places his trust rather in Christ and His finished work,15 he is born of God16 and granted eternal life.17
1 John 3:16; Romans 5:8; I John 2:2-5; 2 John 3:16; Hebrew 5:9; 3 John 3:16-17; 4 II Corinthians 5:21; 5 I Corinthians 15:3;
6 I Peter 3:18; 7 Acts 20:28; Romans 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 1:14-20; Hebrews 9:22; 8 Romans 5:10-11; 9 I Corinthians 15:4; 10 Acts 10:39-40; I Corinthians 15:4; 11 Romans 5:15-18; Romans 6:23; 12 Ephesians 2:8-9; 13 John 1:12; John 6:40; Romans 1:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Revelation 22:17; 14 Isaiah 53:6; Mark 10:24; Luke 18:9-14; I Thessalonians 1:9; Hebrews 6:1; 15 Ecclesiastes 3:14; John 19:30; 16 I John 5:1; 17 John 3:16; John 3:36; John 5:24; John 10:27-29.

(K) Eternal Security
We believe that the salvation God authored for us is an eternal salvation.1 Jesus never casts anyone out of His family.2 Believers can never perish,3 shall not come into condemnation, but are already passed from death unto life.4 The saved are kept by the power of God,5 nothing can separate them from His love,6 and no one can pluck them out of His hand.7 Everyone who believes on Him is born of God, and whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world.8 These overcomers are then promised that their names will not be blotted out of the Book of Life.9 The saved are given the Holy Ghost as the earnest of their salvation10 and are sealed by Him unto the day of redemption.11
1 Hebrews 5:9; 2 John 6:37; 3 John 10:28; 4 John 5:24; 5 I Peter 1:3-5; Jude 24; 6 Romans 8:31-39; 7 John 10:27-29; 8 I John 5:1-5; 9 Revelation 3:5; 10 II Corinthians 1:22; II Corinthians 5:5; 11 Ephesians 4:30.

(L) Separation
We believe that saved people are commanded by God to separate themselves in their service for Him from unbelievers, from fellowship with unrighteousness, from communion with darkness,4 and from false religious worship.1 Believers should furthermore separate themselves from those who are called brothers yet are fornicators, covetous, idolaters, railers, drunkards, or extortioners.2 While we should be kind and forgiving to everyone,3 we should further withdraw ourselves from every brother who walks disorderly.4 While trying to reach the world, we recognize that friendship with the world is enmity with God5 and that God chastens those whom He loves.6
1 II Corinthians 6:14-18; 2 I Corinthians 5:9-13; 3 Ephesians 4:32; 4 II Thessalonians 3:6; 5 James 4:4; I John 2:15-17; 6 Hebrews 12:5-11; Revelation 3:19.

(M) Church
We believe that a church is a called-out assembly, as this is the meaning of the Greek word translated church. The first New Testament church was founded by Jesus.1 He is the Cornerstone2, Foundation3, Head4, and Chief Shepherd5 of every true church. Each local church is made up of baptized believers.6 Those members called of God to lead the church are called elders or pastors.7 One of these men is chosen as the overseer or bishop,8 commonly called the pastor. God has delegated to him authority as an under-shepherd under Christ, and he is to rule the local church9 in much the same way a man would rule his own house.10 He also carries a heavy weight of accountability before God, as he is to know the state of his flock and watch for their souls.11 Church members can also choose deacons to help conduct the business of the church12 and thus allow their pastors to give themselves more fully to prayer and the ministry of the Word.13 All these men who lead a church are merely human, but their office should be magnified.14 Those who rule well should be counted worthy of honor,15 they should be followed and obeyed as they follow Christ,16 and they should be esteemed very highly in love for their work?s sake.17 Just as disciples should seek to multiply by winning souls, each church should seek to send out workers to multiply churches.18
1 Matthew 16:18; Matthew 18:15-17; Acts 2:41; 2 I Peter 2:6; 3 I Corinthians 3:11; 4 Ephesians 5:23; 5 I Peter 5:4; 6 Acts 2:41-47; 7 I Timothy 5:17; James 5:14; I Peter 5:1; 8 I Timothy 3:1-2; 9 Hebrews 13:7; Hebrews 13:17; 10 I Timothy 3:4-5; 11 Proverbs 27:23; Hebrews 13:17; 12 Acts 6:1-7; 13 Acts 6:4; 14 Romans 11:13; 15 I Timothy 5:17; 16 I Corinthians 4:16; I Corinthians 11:1; Hebrews 13:7; Hebrews 13:17; 17 I Thessalonians 5:13; 18 Acts 9:31; Titus 1:5.

(N) Great Commission
We believe that the greatest mission of the church is to go, win, baptize, and teach. God has commanded us to get the Gospel to every nation and to every creature.1 While we understand that a majority will not be saved,2 we also recognize that God is not willing that any should perish.3 Jesus shed His blood for the sins of the whole world.4 It is His will that all men come to the knowledge of the truth.5 It is our desire to teach those who do receive the Gospel all the things that God has commanded us, equipping them to become soul winners themselves so the number of believers can multiply.6 To these ministries of reconciliation7 and discipleship, we willingly commit our lives.8
1 Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15; Luke 24:47-48; John 20:21-22; Acts 1:8; 2 Matthew 7:13-14; 3 II Peter 3:9; 4 I John 2:2;
5 I Timothy 2:3-4; 6 Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 6:7; II Timothy 2:2; 7 II Corinthians 5:18-21; 8 I Corinthians 9:16-17.

(O) Baptism
We believe that baptism is a step of obedience to fulfill righteousness.1 Biblical baptism is by immersion, as it pictures death, burial, and resurrection.2 We baptize converts in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.3 Following the biblical pattern, we baptize each who is willing as soon as possible after he makes a profession of faith.4 This profession is the only biblical prerequisite to baptism.5
1 Matthew 3:15; 2 Matthew 3:16; Romans 6:3-10; 3 Matthew 28:18-20; 4 Acts 2:41; 5 Acts 8:36-38.
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(P) Lord?s Supper
We believe that the Lord?s Supper was given to believers as a memorial of Christ?s broken body and shed blood.1 Unleavened bread2 represents His sinless body,3 and the fruit of the vine4 (unfermented grape juice) represents His incorruptible blood.5 The Bible admonishes every man to examine himself6 when partaking of the Lord?s Supper. No instructions were given as to how often the Lord?s Supper is to be observed, but that as often as we observe it, we do so to show forth the Lord?s death until He comes.7
1 Matthew 26:26-28; I Corinthians 11:26; 2 I Corinthians 5:8; 3 II Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 7:26; I Peter 2:22; I John 3:5; 4 Matthew 26:29; 5 I Peter 1:18-19; 6 I Corinthians 11:28; 7 I Corinthians 11:26.

(Q) Return of Christ
We believe that Jesus Christ Who first came to His own1 is coming back for His own.2 He has gone to prepare a place for us and could at any moment return to receive us unto Himself.3 In that moment,4 this corruptible will put on incorruption, this mortal will put on immortality,5 and we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is,6 and so shall we ever be with the Lord.7 Later, after great tribulation on the earth,8 the Lord will return again, this time with His own,9 and we shall rule and reign with Him.10
1 John 1:10-12; 2 Acts 1:11; 3 John 14:1-3; 4 I Corinthians 15:52; I Thessalonians 4:16-17. 5 I Corinthians 15:53-54; 6 I John 3:2; 7 I Thessalonians 4:17; 8 Matthew 24:21; Revelation 7:14; 9 Jude 14; Revelation 19:1-21; 10 I Corinthians 6:1-3; Revelation 5:10; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 22:5.

(R) Eternity
We believe that everyone will be resurrected into eternity: the saved to eternal life and the lost to eternal damnation.1
1 Isaiah 66:22-24; Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:46; Acts 24:15; Revelation 20:12-15.

(S) Human Sexuality
We believe that God has commanded that no intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a scriptural marriage. We believe that all forms of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery, and pornography are sinful perversions of God?s design for sex. We believe that the only scriptural marriage is the joining of one man and one woman. Marriage, within this biblical context, is honorable, and the marriage bed undefiled.1
1 Genesis 2:24; Genesis 19:5-13; Genesis 26:8-9; Genesis 34:1-31; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; Romans 7:2;
I Corinthians 5:1; I Corinthians 6:9; I Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23; I Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4.

(T) Lawsuits Between Believers
We believe that Christians are prohibited from bringing civil lawsuits against other Christians or their local church to resolve personal disputes. We believe the church possesses all the resources necessary to resolve personal disputes between members. We do believe, however, that a Christian may seek compensation for injuries from another Christian?s insurance company, as long as the claim is pursued without malice or slander.1
1 I Corinthians 6:1-8; Ephesians 4:31-32.


AUTHORITY OF STATEMENT OF FAITH
The Statement of Faith does not exhaust the extent of our faith. The Bible itself is the sole and final source and authority of all that we believe. We do believe, however, that the foregoing Statement of Faith accurately represents the teachings of the Bible and, therefore, is binding upon all members. All literature, whether print or electronic, used in the church shall be in complete agreement with the Statement of Faith.


 
IFB X-Files said:
You mean they don't believe in the Diety of Christ?

They don't believe in salvation by grace through faith?

Most IFB types I know don't have so much a problem with the deity of Jesus. It's His humanity they want to ignore.

And, again, most IFB types I know speak about salvation by grace through faith. Then they provide a long list of things people need to do (or stop doing) to "get right with God".
 
This is part of the statement of faith but was to large to post with it.

BAPTIST DISTINCTIVES
Biblical Authority
The Bible is the final authority in all matters of belief and practice, because the Bible is inspired by God and bears the absolute authority of God Himself. Whatever the Bible affirms, Baptists accept as true. No human opinion or decree of any church group can override the Bible. Even creeds and confessions of faith, which attempt to articulate the theology of Scripture, do not carry Scripture?s inherent authority (II Timothy 3:15-17; I Thessalonians 2:13; II Peter 1:20, 21).

Autonomy of the Local Church
The local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the church. All human authority for governing the local church resides within the local church itself. Thus the church is autonomous, or self-governing. No religious hierarchy outside the local church may dictate a church?s beliefs or practices. Autonomy does not mean isolation. A Baptist church may fellowship with other churches around mutual interests and in an associational tie, but a Baptist church may not be a ?member? of any other body (Colossians 1:18; II Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23).

Priesthood of the Believer
Priest is defined as ?one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion, especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God.? Every believer today is a priest of God and may enter into His presence in prayer directly through our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ. No other mediator is needed between God and people. As priests we can study God?s Word, pray for others, and offer spiritual worship to God. We all have equal access to God?whether we are a preacher or not (I Peter 2:5, 9; Revelation 5:9, 10).

Two Ordinances
The local church should practice two ordinances: (1) baptism of believers by immersion in water, identifying the individual with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection; and (2) the Lord?s Supper, or communion, commemorating His death for our sins (Matthew 28:19, 20; I Corinthians 11:23-32).

Individual Soul Liberty
Every individual, whether a believer or an unbeliever, has the liberty to choose what he believes is right in the religious realm. No one should be forced to assent to any belief against his will. Baptists have always opposed religious persecution. However, this liberty does not exempt one from responsibility to the Word of God or from accountability to God Himself (Romans 14:5, 12; II Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9).

Saved, Baptized Church Membership
Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified themselves with Him in believer?s baptism. When the members of a local church are believers, a oneness in Christ exists, and the members can endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Acts 2:41-47; I Corinthians 12:12; II Corinthians 6:14; Ephesians 4:3).

Two Offices
The Bible mandates only two offices in the church?pastor and deacon. The three terms?pastor, elder, and bishop, or overseer?all refer to the same office. The two offices of pastor and deacon exist within the local church, not as a hierarchy outside or over the local church (I Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 20:17-38; Philippians 1:1).

Separation of Church and State
God established both the church and the civil government, and He gave each its own distinct sphere of operation. The government?s purposes are outlined in Romans 13:1-7, and the church?s purposes in Matthew 28:19 and 20. Neither should control the other, nor should there be an alliance between the two. Christians in a free society can properly influence government toward righteousness, which is not the same as a denomination or group of churches controlling the government (Matthew 22:15-22; Acts 5:17-29).
 
I sent an email through their website telling them they've been accused of not teaching doctrine from the pulpit and asking if they have, to provide a link to the message.
 
IFB X-Files said:
I sent an email through their website telling them they've been accused of not teaching doctrine from the pulpit and asking if they have, to provide a link to the message.

Thanks!

Maybe we can really turn that place around.

Bg says there not even KJVO anymore.
 
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
I sent an email through their website telling them they've been accused of not teaching doctrine from the pulpit and asking if they have, to provide a link to the message.

Thanks!

Maybe we can really turn that place around.

Bg says there not even KJVO anymore.

We still have many that are extreme KJVO and many who use NA-27 along with multiple Bible translations.

We are a diverse and not a monolithic congregation.

The pastor no longer dictates what we believe.

It will take many years to recover from the bad theology that was taught by the previous two pastors.

It takes awhile for the realization to sink in that we had been duped.

More see the light every day.
 
bgwilkinson said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
I sent an email through their website telling them they've been accused of not teaching doctrine from the pulpit and asking if they have, to provide a link to the message.

Thanks!

Maybe we can really turn that place around.

Bg says there not even KJVO anymore.

We still have many that are extreme KJVO and many who use NA-27 along with multiple Bible translations.

We are a diverse and not a monolithic congregation.

The pastor no longer dictates what we believe.

It will take many years to recover from the bad theology that was taught by the previous two pastors.

It takes awhile for the realization to sink in that we had been duped.

More see the light every day.

What is NA-27?
 
BALAAM said:
bgwilkinson said:
Bruh said:
IFB X-Files said:
I sent an email through their website telling them they've been accused of not teaching doctrine from the pulpit and asking if they have, to provide a link to the message.

Thanks!

Maybe we can really turn that place around.

Bg says there not even KJVO anymore.

We still have many that are extreme KJVO and many who use NA-27 along with multiple Bible translations.

We are a diverse and not a monolithic congregation.

The pastor no longer dictates what we believe.

It will take many years to recover from the bad theology that was taught by the previous two pastors.

It takes awhile for the realization to sink in that we had been duped.

More see the light every day.

What is NA-27?

Standard Greek NT 28th edition is out but I prefer 27th.
It informs one which manuscripts have which readings. Very helpful for manuscript study. A wealth of  info on Greek and Latin manuscripts.

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Web said:
I sometimes wonder if Schaap's life was just a house of cards waiting for implosion, or, just an unlucky day when his cellphone and the pictures were found.  Is it possible he could still be at FBCH today if he could have controlled the evidence better?

I think he was leading up to some kind of implosion; clearly, he was wandering afield... what's pathetic is that no one in his church was calling him on it.

Yes, it is possible he could still be at FBCH today... but meglomania grows, and I firmly believe that if not the phone photos, SOMETHING would have tripped him up/exposed him.

 
Walt said:
Web said:
I sometimes wonder if Schaap's life was just a house of cards waiting for implosion, or, just an unlucky day when his cellphone and the pictures were found.  Is it possible he could still be at FBCH today if he could have controlled the evidence better?

I think he was leading up to some kind of implosion; clearly, he was wandering afield... what's pathetic is that no one in his church was calling him on it.

Yes, it is possible he could still be at FBCH today... but meglomania grows, and I firmly believe that if not the phone photos, SOMETHING would have tripped him up/exposed him.

I don't know if this is entirely accurate. I know of several who tried to call him on his weirdness and some of his indiscretions. If they were employees they were just eliminated. His attitude toward a lowly church member was, Sorry but I'll pray for you. Now don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. They would quietly leave as they were taught. The average member though, was for a fact, so enamored with him that your pleas would fall on deaf ears.
 
I just remember a few services he did at south point were filthy, and I was shocked that nobody said anything it was just like it was normal.
 
BALAAM said:
Walt said:
Web said:
I sometimes wonder if Schaap's life was just a house of cards waiting for implosion, or, just an unlucky day when his cellphone and the pictures were found.  Is it possible he could still be at FBCH today if he could have controlled the evidence better?

I think he was leading up to some kind of implosion; clearly, he was wandering afield... what's pathetic is that no one in his church was calling him on it.

Yes, it is possible he could still be at FBCH today... but meglomania grows, and I firmly believe that if not the phone photos, SOMETHING would have tripped him up/exposed him.

I don't know if this is entirely accurate. I know of several who tried to call him on his weirdness and some of his indiscretions. If they were employees they were just eliminated. His attitude toward a lowly church member was, Sorry but I'll pray for you. Now don't let the door hit your backside on the way out. They would quietly leave as they were taught. The average member though, was for a fact, so enamored with him that your pleas would fall on deaf ears.

His arrogance was as dangerous as his sin.
 
And yet men are continuing to send their young ppl to their youth conference to sit under the men that were allowing JS to say and do what he was doing.
 
BALAAM said:
Bruh said:
And yet men are continuing to send their young ppl to their youth conference to sit under the men that were allowing JS to say and do what he was doing.

But, not lately!

Not lately, what?
 
I really don't remember the last time I was at FBC!
 
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