The New McCarthyism

[Ijiwaru Sensei]

Are you or have you ever been a supporter of traditional marriage?

 

[prophet]

I am.

BTW, I would like to remind everyone that McCarthy was right.  Alger Hiss was on the KGB's payroll.  The Bolsheviks worldwide did use labor unions to organize and recruit, as did the fascists.
The information is now no longer classified.
Yet, the American Socialists have not apologized for their slander of one of the greatest visionaries in history.

Anishinaabe

 

[bgwilkinson]

I am.

BTW, I would like to remind everyone that McCarthy was right.  Alger Hiss was on the KGB's payroll.  The Bolsheviks worldwide did use labor unions to organize and recruit, as did the fascists.
The information is now no longer classified.
Yet, the American Socialists have not apologized for their slander of one of the greatest visionaries in history.

Anishinaabe

He exposed real Communist subversives.


He called a spade a spade, and Communists Communists.

Few people bother to study history without a jaundiced eye.

This is especially true of ecclesiastical history.

 

[Izdaari]

I'm not, and never really have been.

 

[Izdaari]

I am.

BTW, I would like to remind everyone that McCarthy was right.  Alger Hiss was on the KGB's payroll.  The Bolsheviks worldwide did use labor unions to organize and recruit, as did the fascists.
The information is now no longer classified.
Yet, the American Socialists have not apologized for their slander of one of the greatest visionaries in history.

Anishinaabe

True that Joe McCarthy was at least partially right. So was Gene McCarthy.

 

[Ransom]

For every Dan Cathy, Orson Scott Card, and Brendan Eich, the Left owes the late Senator from Wisconsin an apology.

 

[BALAAM]

For every Dan Cathy, Orson Scott Card, and Brendan Eich, the Left owes the late Senator from Wisconsin an apology.

The left does not apologize. You can't apologize if you are never wrong.

 

[Izdaari]

For every Dan Cathy, Orson Scott Card, and Brendan Eich, the Left owes the late Senator from Wisconsin an apology.

The left does not apologize. You can't apologize if you are never wrong.

Anyone who is not God, and thinks they're never wrong, is wrong.

 

[BALAAM]

For every Dan Cathy, Orson Scott Card, and Brendan Eich, the Left owes the late Senator from Wisconsin an apology.

The left does not apologize. You can't apologize if you are never wrong.

Anyone who is not God, and thinks they're never wrong, is wrong.

Wow Izzy! That makes more sense than anything I have read on here in days!

 

[Marcus Constantine]

I hope we never see another like McCarthy.  You shouldn't have a federal body dictating who can do what based on their beliefs - political or religious. 

 

[Ransom]

I hope we never see another like McCarthy.  You shouldn't have a federal body dictating who can do what based on their beliefs - political or religious.

That's an oversimplification. "McCarthyism" wasn't about freedom of belief. What McCarthy asserted was that there were Soviet spies and sympathizers working within the federal government - in other words, not merely Communists working in the government, but Communists working against the government.

I should think that if federal employees are spying for an enemy nation, then the "federal body" that employs them ought to have a great deal of say as to whether they can do it.

 

[prophet]

I hope we never see another like McCarthy.  You shouldn't have a federal body dictating who can do what based on their beliefs - political or religious.

That's an oversimplification. "McCarthyism" wasn't about freedom of belief. What McCarthy asserted was that there were Soviet spies and sympathizers working within the federal government - in other words, not merely Communists working in the government, but Communists working against the government.

I should think that if federal employees are spying for an enemy nation, then the "federal body" that employs them ought to have a great deal of say as to whether they can do it.

Yes, a sovereign nation has in its own best interest the burden to defend itself from subterfuge.

Anishinaabe

 

[Izdaari]

I hope we never see another like McCarthy.  You shouldn't have a federal body dictating who can do what based on their beliefs - political or religious.

That's an oversimplification. "McCarthyism" wasn't about freedom of belief. What McCarthy asserted was that there were Soviet spies and sympathizers working within the federal government - in other words, not merely Communists working in the government, but Communists working against the government.

I should think that if federal employees are spying for an enemy nation, then the "federal body" that employs them ought to have a great deal of say as to whether they can do it.

Yes, a sovereign nation has in its own best interest the burden to defend itself from subterfuge.

Anishinaabe

Just so. And McCarthy was right to expose and fight against Communist infiltration of our government. But I think he was wrong to go after entertainers, who are entitled to believe any stupid thing they want to, and to this day still commonly do.

 

[prophet]

I hope we never see another like McCarthy.  You shouldn't have a federal body dictating who can do what based on their beliefs - political or religious.

That's an oversimplification. "McCarthyism" wasn't about freedom of belief. What McCarthy asserted was that there were Soviet spies and sympathizers working within the federal government - in other words, not merely Communists working in the government, but Communists working against the government.

I should think that if federal employees are spying for an enemy nation, then the "federal body" that employs them ought to have a great deal of say as to whether they can do it.

Yes, a sovereign nation has in its own best interest the burden to defend itself from subterfuge.

Anishinaabe

Just so. And McCarthy was right to expose and fight against Communist infiltration of our government. But I think he was wrong to go after entertainers, who are entitled to believe any stupid thing they want to, and to this day still commonly do.

Entertainment is a good a place as any to mask treason.

Anishinaabe

 

[Ransom]

Just so. And McCarthy was right to expose and fight against Communist infiltration of our government. But I think he was wrong to go after entertainers, who are entitled to believe any stupid thing they want to, and to this day still commonly do.

That's a myth. McCarthy was a bit of a showman, and his accusations did overreach (a substantial minority of the accusations he made against people would not have stood up under scrutiny), but unfortunately his name has become attached to a number of things that he was not responsible for.

McCarthy didn't go after Hollywood, nor did he produce blacklists. His concern was subversion within the federal government, and the people who enabled it to continue. It was the House Un-American Activities Commission (HUAC) that went after the entertainers. Joseph McCarthy was a member of the Senate, not the House, and HUAC had been in operation for a decade before Tailgunner Joe was even elected. The Alger Hiss trials were completed, and Hiss sentenced, weeks before McCarthy pulled out his list of names in Wheeling.

 

[Izdaari]

Just so. And McCarthy was right to expose and fight against Communist infiltration of our government. But I think he was wrong to go after entertainers, who are entitled to believe any stupid thing they want to, and to this day still commonly do.

That's a myth. McCarthy was a bit of a showman, and his accusations did overreach (a substantial minority of the accusations he made against people would not have stood up under scrutiny), but unfortunately his name has become attached to a number of things that he was not responsible for.

McCarthy didn't go after Hollywood, nor did he produce blacklists. His concern was subversion within the federal government, and the people who enabled it to continue. It was the House Un-American Activities Commission (HUAC) that went after the entertainers. Joseph McCarthy was a member of the Senate, not the House, and HUAC had been in operation for a decade before Tailgunner Joe was even elected. The Alger Hiss trials were completed, and Hiss sentenced, weeks before McCarthy pulled out his list of names in Wheeling.

I think you're right on the history, Ransom. HUAC was much more the culprit in all that.