The popular vote.

[LongGone]

If you like this map, check out the one for the 1984 presidential election.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg/500px-1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg.png
Notice California used to be almost completely red before the over 1 million legal immigrants and 2.5 to 3 million* illegal immigrants moved in.

*According to the Pew Research Center

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Immigrants (legal or not) do not vote. Considering the population of California is 38 million the number is not overwhelming. You used an election that was one of the biggest landslides ever with a extremely popular Californian running.

No one checks on who is voting in California and numerous undercover videos have been published showing how easy it is to claim to be someone they are not and still vote with no questions asked.  The only reason  the Democrats don't want any ID checks is obvious.  Smellin believes Black people are so stupid or helpless that if someone asks them to prove who they are at the polls by showing an ID they are being "oppressed."  I posted one video of a Democrat exposing the cheating going on in New York.  Here is another.  Warning!!  They use some foul language.
http://projectveritasaction.com/rigging-election-video-ii-mass-voter-fraud.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

You can believe what you want. Only right wing publications claimed voter fraud without substantiation. Snopes investigation could not find any proof. 

 

[biscuit1953]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

 

[greypilgrim]

Couple things. 

First, we do not live in a democracy.  We live in a republic.  As such, the people do not elect the president.  The states elect the president and the population of each state determines how that state will vote. 

Second, the false statement that a vote in one state is worth more or less than a vote in another state.  Electoral votes are allocated to the states based on population.  Thus, the citizen who votes in state A has the same proportional voice as the citizen in state B. 

Third, the argument is disingenuous.  This wasn't an issue when a liberal president won.  But when the heir apparent blew it, liberals are having conniptions and crying.  Thus, the problem for them isn't the electoral college, it's that their horse lost the race.  Now they're going to whine about the rules of the game.  Either you are concerned about a principle (they aren't) or you're just going to be a sniveling loser and cry because you didn't get your way (they are).  Pick one, you can't have both.  Principle or circumstance. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

 

[biscuit1953]

"I never appreciated it until now, how genius it was, what they had in mind, because at the time they didn't want everybody going to Boston and New York and everything else would be forgotten," the president-elect said. "It's genius, I'm telling you it's genius."  Donald J. trump

Donald Trump is a very humble man who has repented of his error.  I know you believe in repentance.

 

[HeDied4U]

Sorry Hillz, no Christmas miracle for you. Too bad, so sad.

 

[sword]

If you like this map, check out the one for the 1984 presidential election.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg/500px-1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg.png
Notice California used to be almost completely red before the over 1 million legal immigrants and 2.5 to 3 million* illegal immigrants moved in.

*According to the Pew Research Center

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Immigrants (legal or not) do not vote. Considering the population of California is 38 million the number is not overwhelming. You used an election that was one of the biggest landslides ever with a extremely popular Californian running.

OK lets go with the 1980, 1976, 1972 & 1968 elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980#/media/File:1980prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1976#/media/File:1976prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1972#/media/File:1972prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968#/media/File:1968_Presidential_Election,_Results_by_Congressional_District.png

Same results.

 

[LongGone]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

Sorry a right wing paper accusing of impartiality does not hold much water with me. My experience with Snopes is they try to be objective and call out dishonesty on both sides. I think the outcome of the election is what it is and should stand. It is interesting to me how Trump fixated on voter fraud prior to the election but has no concern over Russia interfering with the election.

 

[LongGone]

If you like this map, check out the one for the 1984 presidential election.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg/500px-1984nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg.png
Notice California used to be almost completely red before the over 1 million legal immigrants and 2.5 to 3 million* illegal immigrants moved in.

*According to the Pew Research Center

Not sure what point you are trying to make. Immigrants (legal or not) do not vote. Considering the population of California is 38 million the number is not overwhelming. You used an election that was one of the biggest landslides ever with a extremely popular Californian running.

OK lets go with the 1980, 1976, 1972 & 1968 elections.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1980#/media/File:1980prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1976#/media/File:1976prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1972#/media/File:1972prescountymap2.PNG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1968#/media/File:1968_Presidential_Election,_Results_by_Congressional_District.png

Same results.

So California has changed in the last 36 years. Still not seeing it as valid point.

 

[Tatterdemalion]

Actually, this "government released crime map" is a 2012 electoral map by Mark Newman of the University of Michigan.

Interestingly enough, the areas in question are actually shown to be of "substantial improvement" in these 2013 maps of male/female mortality rates:

The idea that many of these Democratic areas have high crimes rates is true, though, but what do you expect in areas with higher population density?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Hillary lost more electors than Trump!
You just have to appreciate the irony!

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/19/506188169/donald-trump-poised-to-secure-electoral-college-win-with-few-surprises

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Outside NY and Cally....Trump wins popular vote by 3 million!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html

 

[LongGone]

Outside NY and Cally....Trump wins popular vote by 3 million!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html

Interesting but only significant if California and New York were planning on leaving the union.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Outside NY and Cally....Trump wins popular vote by 3 million!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html

Interesting but only significant if California and New York were planning on leaving the union.

It doesn't matter if they leave the union or not...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

Sorry a right wing paper accusing of impartiality does not hold much water with me. My experience with Snopes is they try to be objective and call out dishonesty on both sides. I think the outcome of the election is what it is and should stand. It is interesting to me how Trump fixated on voter fraud prior to the election but has no concern over Russia interfering with the election.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/co-founder-of-snopes-accused-of-embezzling-money-and-spending-it-on-prostitutes/?utm_source=YC&utm_medium=YC&utm_campaign=YC

 

[LongGone]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/16/snopes-facebooks-new-fact-checker-employs-leftists-almost-exclusively/

Sorry a right wing paper accusing of impartiality does not hold much water with me. My experience with Snopes is they try to be objective and call out dishonesty on both sides. I think the outcome of the election is what it is and should stand. It is interesting to me how Trump fixated on voter fraud prior to the election but has no concern over Russia interfering with the election.

http://www.chicksontheright.com/co-founder-of-snopes-accused-of-embezzling-money-and-spending-it-on-prostitutes/?utm_source=YC&utm_medium=YC&utm_campaign=YC

First they are one of the organizations that are fact checking. Still curious why news so big is only is right wing propaganda papers

 

[prophet]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/amp/Facebook-fact-checker-arbitrate-fake-news-accused-defrauding-website-pay-prostitutes-staff-includes-escort-porn-star-Vice-Vixen-domme.html


This link is the original investigative report, and shows copies of court documents.
earnestly contend

 

[sword]

People seem to forget the constitution and all of its compromises were written to protect each state and its individual rights as a state. The will of the total population was far less important to the founders than the will of the states.

We elect a president by popular vote in each state then each state cast its electors for president. Each vote does count within each state but the will of the state is what is voted in the electoral college. This system was designed for a purpose as has been discussed. The founders & the people they represent did not have minorities in mind when this system was devised. They did not even have the ability to vote. The system was designed to give each state a say in the national election and to prevent several states from taking control of the rest. States rights were critical to the founding fathers. If any current minority becomes the majority the system will still work exactly the same way.  If 100% of the residents of California or just 51% of the residents vote democrat they still get 55 electoral votes (currently about 10% of the total). That?s because the majority (popular vote) in California voted for a candidate so the state votes for that candidate they want in the Electoral College. The electoral votes each state gets is adjusted after each census.

Popular vote means nothing nationally. It never has and never will. It takes 2/3 of the states to change the current system so you can forget it changing in your lifetime. The small states would never give up their voice to the large states. They would not in 1789, they did not in 1824 (Twelfth Amendment) and they surely will not do it in 2017. The small states proposed one electoral vote per state but that did not fly for obvious reasons.