The Power of the Gospel

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[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal. [/quote]

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...

 

[Mathew Ward]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]You disagree with his interpretation not the context of the verses he posted.

You keep saying this as if these two things are independent.

And you keep acting as if you didn't say he took the verses out of context, but offer no proof that he did.

I appealed to the immediate context that it would change the meaning of the verses listed, you balked at it knowing they did not and thus disproving your claim.

No,  I readily acknowledge that I made that claim. And, defining words differently than the author (e.g. "gospel) categorically changes the meaning.

Defining the words doesn't change with the context. They change in the interpretation.

Words are defined by context...

Cant ewe sea howe?
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So using your example of "the gospel", (in other words, "news that is good"). Can you show me where this is defined differently because of the context?

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal.

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...
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I regretting even answering your "phoney" charges. You haven't asked me what I meant. Not once. You keep throwing things at me and saying I'm saying this, that, and the other. I grow tired of it.

To answer your inane question....

No. I am drawing the proper line exposed in the Scripture between what can be understood by the natural man and what can't be understood. The Gospel has the power to reveal certain things to the natural man, in and of itself. It is what bridges the Heavenly and the Earthly. I never said that it doesn't look a lot different as you walked across that "bridge". There are certain Heavenly things that can only be understood through.....being granted repentance. I believe it is rather clear from the Scripture that this doesn't take place until after an expression of faith from an individual.

So you have your answer. Quit assuming....

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]You disagree with his interpretation not the context of the verses he posted.

You keep saying this as if these two things are independent.

And you keep acting as if you didn't say he took the verses out of context, but offer no proof that he did.

I appealed to the immediate context that it would change the meaning of the verses listed, you balked at it knowing they did not and thus disproving your claim.

No,  I readily acknowledge that I made that claim. And, defining words differently than the author (e.g. "gospel) categorically changes the meaning.

Defining the words doesn't change with the context. They change in the interpretation.

Words are defined by context...

Cant ewe sea howe?

So using your example of "the gospel", (in other words, "news that is good"). Can you show me where this is defined differently because of the context?
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That is the definition from the context.  How could the context define it differently?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal.

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...

I regretting even answering your "phoney" charges. You haven't asked me what I meant. Not once. You keep throwing things at me and saying I'm saying this, that, and the other. I grow tired of it.

To answer your inane question....

No. I am drawing the proper line exposed in the Scripture between what can be understood by the natural man and what can't be understood. The Gospel has the power to reveal certain things to the natural man, in and of itself. It is what bridges the Heavenly and the Earthly. I never said that it doesn't look a lot different as you walked across that "bridge". There are certain Heavenly things that can only be understood through.....being granted repentance. I believe it is rather clear from the Scripture that this doesn't take place until after an expression of faith from an individual.

So you have your answer. Quit assuming....
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"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

Notice the causative agent.  (hint: it's not news, good or otherwise)

 

[Mathew Ward]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]You disagree with his interpretation not the context of the verses he posted.

You keep saying this as if these two things are independent.

And you keep acting as if you didn't say he took the verses out of context, but offer no proof that he did.

I appealed to the immediate context that it would change the meaning of the verses listed, you balked at it knowing they did not and thus disproving your claim.

No,  I readily acknowledge that I made that claim. And, defining words differently than the author (e.g. "gospel) categorically changes the meaning.

Defining the words doesn't change with the context. They change in the interpretation.

Words are defined by context...

Cant ewe sea howe?

So using your example of "the gospel", (in other words, "news that is good"). Can you show me where this is defined differently because of the context?

That is the definition from the context.  How could the context define it differently?
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Oh in other words they are changed by the interpretation. I wonder where we heard that before...

 

[Mathew Ward]

[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal.

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...

I regretting even answering your "phoney" charges. You haven't asked me what I meant. Not once. You keep throwing things at me and saying I'm saying this, that, and the other. I grow tired of it.

To answer your inane question....

No. I am drawing the proper line exposed in the Scripture between what can be understood by the natural man and what can't be understood. The Gospel has the power to reveal certain things to the natural man, in and of itself. It is what bridges the Heavenly and the Earthly. I never said that it doesn't look a lot different as you walked across that "bridge". There are certain Heavenly things that can only be understood through.....being granted repentance. I believe it is rather clear from the Scripture that this doesn't take place until after an expression of faith from an individual.

So you have your answer. Quit assuming....

"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

Notice the causative agent.  (hint: it's not news, good or otherwise)
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Not sure why you would rip those verses out of context...

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]You disagree with his interpretation not the context of the verses he posted.

You keep saying this as if these two things are independent.

And you keep acting as if you didn't say he took the verses out of context, but offer no proof that he did.

I appealed to the immediate context that it would change the meaning of the verses listed, you balked at it knowing they did not and thus disproving your claim.

No,  I readily acknowledge that I made that claim. And, defining words differently than the author (e.g. "gospel) categorically changes the meaning.

Defining the words doesn't change with the context. They change in the interpretation.

Words are defined by context...

Cant ewe sea howe?

So using your example of "the gospel", (in other words, "news that is good"). Can you show me where this is defined differently because of the context?

That is the definition from the context.  How could the context define it differently?

Oh in other words they are changed by the interpretation. I wonder where we heard that before...[/quote]

Thus the reason I said CU was using a terrible definition of gospel, oh... at the very beginning.

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal.

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...

I regretting even answering your "phoney" charges. You haven't asked me what I meant. Not once. You keep throwing things at me and saying I'm saying this, that, and the other. I grow tired of it.

To answer your inane question....

No. I am drawing the proper line exposed in the Scripture between what can be understood by the natural man and what can't be understood. The Gospel has the power to reveal certain things to the natural man, in and of itself. It is what bridges the Heavenly and the Earthly. I never said that it doesn't look a lot different as you walked across that "bridge". There are certain Heavenly things that can only be understood through.....being granted repentance. I believe it is rather clear from the Scripture that this doesn't take place until after an expression of faith from an individual.

So you have your answer. Quit assuming....

"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

Notice the causative agent.  (hint: it's not news, good or otherwise)
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I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore. I'll deal with it with FSSL when the time comes. I'm not going to run around in circles just to please you. I've wasted my time dealing with your inane charges against me. Fabricated charges. Lies. Now you want to ask a question you should have asked to begin with. Anyone with any sense or understanding of the subject would have done this a dozen posts ago. You're a dishonest hack.

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]
No I didn't. I thought you would assume what power I was speaking of. I wasn't talking about the power to regenerate.... but rather the power to reveal.

Father,  Son, and Holy Bible...

I regretting even answering your "phoney" charges. You haven't asked me what I meant. Not once. You keep throwing things at me and saying I'm saying this, that, and the other. I grow tired of it.

To answer your inane question....

No. I am drawing the proper line exposed in the Scripture between what can be understood by the natural man and what can't be understood. The Gospel has the power to reveal certain things to the natural man, in and of itself. It is what bridges the Heavenly and the Earthly. I never said that it doesn't look a lot different as you walked across that "bridge". There are certain Heavenly things that can only be understood through.....being granted repentance. I believe it is rather clear from the Scripture that this doesn't take place until after an expression of faith from an individual.

So you have your answer. Quit assuming....

"Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

Notice the causative agent.  (hint: it's not news, good or otherwise)

Not sure why you would rip those verses out of context...
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He doesn't get it.... He is obviously only doing this to antagonize you. That is why he has 50 reds. Its not because he's an honest person.