The Three Laws of Logic

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1.  The law of identity:  An apple is an apple.  Applies to a single nature.  It is what it is.

2.  The law of non-contradiction:  It cannot be raining and not raining at the same time in the same place.  Truth is not self-contradictory.

3.  The law of the excluded middle:  Either p or non-P.  A statement is either true or false.  Deals in absolutes.

?The basic laws of logic are neither arbitrary inventions of God nor principles that exist completely outside God?s being. Obviously, the laws of logic are not like the laws of nature. God may violate the latter(say, suspend gravity), but He cannot violate the former. Those laws are rooted in God?s own nature. Indeed, some scholars think the passage ?In the beginning was the Word [logos]? (Jn 1:1) is accurately translated, ?In the beginning was Logic (a divine, rational mind).? For example, even God cannot exist and not exist at the same time, and even God cannot validly believe that red is a color and red is not a color. When people say that God need not behave ?logically,? they are using the term in a loose sense to mean ?the sensible thing from my point of view.? Often God does not act in ways that people understand or judge to be what they would do in the circumstances. But God never behaves illogically in the proper sense. He does not violate in His being or thought the fundamental laws of logic.?
https://arcapologetics.org/objections/three-laws-logic/

Does anyone disagree with this?
 
Quantum mechanics would suggest 2 and 3 are not universally true.
 
ddgently said:
Quantum mechanics would suggest 2 and 3 are not universally true.
I had never heard of the "Three Laws of Logic" until a couple of years ago when I started reading "The Apologetic Study Bible" edited by Ted Cabal.  It seems if one rejects these laws then how can one interpret the scriptures without allegorizing everything?

How can it be raining and not raining at the same time in the same place?  How can a statement be true and false at the same time?
 
1 is overly broad.
2 ignores physics.
3 is overly broad.
 
ddgently said:
Quantum mechanics would suggest 2 and 3 are not universally true.

But only at the subatomic level. Fortunately, for anything larger than an electron, the law of non-contradiction continues to hold true.
 
In "The Apologetics Study Bible" there is an article on Does the "New Physics" Conflict with Christianity?" By Jeremy Royal Howard.  Here is an excerpt.

"...some observers to conclude that QM overturns natural law and rationality, leaving us with an incomprehensible, uncreated universe. Standard physics says matter can be neither created nor destroyed by natural means, but some scientists (falsely) claim that quantum particles naturally pop in and out of existence. From this, leading atheists claim the whole universe "sprang" into existence naturally. No Creator necessary. Furthermore, they say that even if God exists and created the universe, QM shows He made a world He cannot control. Once He uncorked this world, not even God knows what will come of it. Theologians who favor science fads over Scripture conclude the same thing: QM implies God cannot govern creation or know the future."
http://kelvinho-kh.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-new-physics-conflict-with.html
 
biscuit1953 said:
In "The Apologetics Study Bible" there is an article on Does the "New Physics" Conflict with Christianity?" By Jeremy Royal Howard.  Here is an excerpt.

"...some observers to conclude that QM overturns natural law and rationality, leaving us with an incomprehensible, uncreated universe. Standard physics says matter can be neither created nor destroyed by natural means, but some scientists (falsely) claim that quantum particles naturally pop in and out of existence. From this, leading atheists claim the whole universe "sprang" into existence naturally. No Creator necessary. Furthermore, they say that even if God exists and created the universe, QM shows He made a world He cannot control. Once He uncorked this world, not even God knows what will come of it. Theologians who favor science fads over Scripture conclude the same thing: QM implies God cannot govern creation or know the future."
http://kelvinho-kh.blogspot.com/2012/01/does-new-physics-conflict-with.html

That seems a little simplistic and exaggerated. Some strawman thrown in for good measure.
 
Ransom said:
ddgently said:
Quantum mechanics would suggest 2 and 3 are not universally true.

But only at the subatomic level. Fortunately, for anything larger than an electron, the law of non-contradiction continues to hold true.

Have you never been happy and sad at the same time?
 
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