The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander of God!

Creed said:
I do see that Jesus goes out of His way to make the distinction between the Son and the Father. That’s not a denial.
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John 5:44- How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
John 17:3- And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
John 20:16- Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned and said to him in Hebrew, “Rab-bo′ni!” (which means Teacher). 17- Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to [SIZE=7][U]my God[/U][/SIZE] and your God.”

And MANY, MANY other scriptures.
 
Jesus denied being God.
Jesus was SENT by God, even told him what to say!
Jesus told all who the true God is.
Jehovah resurrected him, bestowing him the highest honor.

And you DENY that! Typical church goers!
 
Question said:
Very SAD!
Christ not good assurance?

Low low can you churchoids GET?
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Let’s clarify one thing first before getting back to your statement. You refer to us by such monikers as “churchoids.” Don’t you also attend church? Are you also not a churchgoer? Are you some special breed of Jehovah’s Witness that runs solo without a congregation of likeminded individuals? If so, referring to people who attend church in a derogatory fashion seems hypocritical.
 
Question said:
He knew that Thomas was exclaiming what we do nowadays: "My GOD!"
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You changed your response. Earlier, when I brought it up, you said Thomas was talking to both Jesus AND God. Now, you say it was just an exclamation.
 
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John 5:44- How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
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Well, I’m reformed, so you and I likely have a vastly different understanding of where the ability to seek comes from.

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And MANY, MANY other scriptures.
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What about the many other scriptures in the Old Testament? What about God referring to Himself in the plural sense?

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image…

What about the fact that God went to Sodom, yet it was the two Angels of the Lord that went while He stayed with Abraham?

Genesis 18:20-22 - And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.
 
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BTW, I researched and see your religious schism has only been around since the 1870s. I’ve got news for you big boy, if I ever convert to any other religious view, it’ll be Catholicism, which goes back to the time of Jesus and Saint Peter.
 
The Jehovah's Witlesses deny the bodily resurrection of Christ:

"What happened to the perfect fleshly body of Jesus after his death? Was it preserved so that in time men will look upon it in worship? or does Jesus still have this fleshly body in the heavens, 'spiritualized' so that it can be seen and worshiped? Neither. The Scriptures answer: It was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements or atoms. . . .

"So God caused Jesus’ body to disappear, but not corrupt, meaning that it was dissolved, disintegrated back into the elements from which all human bodies are made."


This is a plain denial of Paul's teaching about bodily resurrection in 1 Corinthians 15:12-22.
 
Creed said:
Well, I’m reformed, so you and I likely have a vastly different understanding of where the ability to seek comes from.



What about the many other scriptures in the Old Testament? What about God referring to Himself in the plural sense?

Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image…

What about the fact that God went to Sodom, yet it was the two Angels of the Lord that went while He stayed with Abraham?

Genesis 18:20-22 - And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.
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There we MANY in heaven when He (not THEY) said we.
Those we describes as ANGELS who spoke for God.
Later, Jehovah told Moses no man had seen Him (not They).
 
DrHuk&Duck said:
BTW, I researched and see your religious schism has only been around since the 1870s. I’ve got news for you big boy, if I ever convert to any other religious view, it’ll be Catholicism, which goes back to the time of Jesus and Saint Peter.
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No- it goes back to the 4th Century.
 
2 Thes 1:1- Paul, Silas and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2- Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice the word AND?
No Ghost-God, no Trinity.
There is God. There is Christ.
 
1 Tim 2:5- For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6- who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

Notice the words ONE, and MEDIATOR BETWEEN?
No Ghost-God, no Trinity.
There is only One TRUE God. And there is Christ.
 
voicecrying said:
You changed your response. Earlier, when I brought it up, you said Thomas was talking to both Jesus AND God. Now, you say it was just an exclamation.
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Point of interest: the New Testament of the New World Translation was based on the Westcott-Hort Greek New Testament. (Not that any of the "translators" had any real knowledge of Greek.)

Remember how many times we've been told by the KJV cult that Westcott and Hort denied the deity of Christ? This is where Westcott gets his revenge:

The words ["My Lord and my God"] are beyond question addressed to Christ (saith unto him), and cannot but be understood as a confession of belief as to His Person . . . expressed in the form of an impassioned address. The discipline of self-questioning, followed by the revelation of tender compassion and divine knowledge, enabled St. Thomas to rise to the loftiest view of the Lord given in the Gospels. His sublime, instantaneous confession, won from doubt, closes historically the progress of faith which St. John traces. At first (ch. i. I.) the Evangelist declared his own faith: at the end he shews that this faith was gained in the actual intercourse of the disciples with Christ. The record of this confession therefore forms the appropriate close to his narrative; and the words which follow shew that the Lord accepted the declaration of His Divinity as the true expression of faith. He never speaks of Himself directly as God (comp. v. 18), but the aim of His revelation was to lead men to see God in Him.​
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B. F. Westcott, The Gospel According to St. John (London: John Murray, 1892), p. 297, underlining added.​

Wesgcott's argument is that John confesses his own faith in 1:1 ("the Word was God"), and that the entire Gospel was leading up to Thomas's confession, in order to show how John, too, came to the same confession.

Note also that Westcott says "the Lord accepted the declaration." If Thomas was merely uttering an oath out of surprise, as we do, a form of "OMG," we might reasonably expect Jesus to rebuke him for blasphemy or swearing. But Jesus takes Thomas's exclamation at face value, and pronounces him blessed.
 
Titus 1: 1- Paul, a servant of God >>> AND <<< an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of...

Again, no reference to a Ghost-God, and Jesus being referred to separately.
"O where, O where can the 'Trinity' be- O where O where can They be?"
 
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Titus 1: 1- Paul, a servant of God >>> AND <<< an apostle of Jesus Christ to further the faith of...

Again, no reference to a Ghost-God, and Jesus being referred to separately.
"O where, O where can the 'Trinity' be- O where O where can They be?"
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This isn’t complicated. Jesus was the earthly version of God. The Holy Spirit is the invisible God force which resides within those who accept salvation. I see no contradiction or confusion in this verse. In fact, I see a clear confirmation of what I just said. As they say, “you’re missing the forest for the trees.”
 
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