The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander of God!

Ransom said:
Point of interest: the New Testament of the New World Translation was based on the Westcott-Hort Greek New Testament. (Not that any of the "translators" had any real knowledge of Greek.)

Remember how many times we've been told by the KJV cult that Westcott and Hort denied the deity of Christ? This is where Westcott gets his revenge:

The words ["My Lord and my God"] are beyond question addressed to Christ (saith unto him), and cannot but be understood as a confession of belief as to His Person . . . expressed in the form of an impassioned address. The discipline of self-questioning, followed by the revelation of tender compassion and divine knowledge, enabled St. Thomas to rise to the loftiest view of the Lord given in the Gospels. His sublime, instantaneous confession, won from doubt, closes historically the progress of faith which St. John traces. At first (ch. i. I.) the Evangelist declared his own faith: at the end he shews that this faith was gained in the actual intercourse of the disciples with Christ. The record of this confession therefore forms the appropriate close to his narrative; and the words which follow shew that the Lord accepted the declaration of His Divinity as the true expression of faith. He never speaks of Himself directly as God (comp. v. 18), but the aim of His revelation was to lead men to see God in Him.​
​
B. F. Westcott, The Gospel According to St. John (London: John Murray, 1892), p. 297, underlining added.​

Wesgcott's argument is that John confesses his own faith in 1:1 ("the Word was God"), and that the entire Gospel was leading up to Thomas's confession, in order to show how John, too, came to the same confession.

Note also that Westcott says "the Lord accepted the declaration." If Thomas was merely uttering an oath out of surprise, as we do, a form of "OMG," we might reasonably expect Jesus to rebuke him for blasphemy or swearing. But Jesus takes Thomas's exclamation at face value, and pronounces him blessed.
Click to expand...
Hey Question, is "HAHA" your best answer to this?

What a failure you are.
 
Guess not. Basically, Question tacitly confesses to being a retard pushing a retard cult with retard arguments. So be it.
 
Heb 1:1- In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2- but in these last days He has spoken to us by His son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.
3- The son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4- So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

"BECAME"- what was he BEFORE?
Notice how Jesus isn't somehow 'returned' to 'Godhood'?
Notice how he is spoken of a an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON than that of God?
 
Ransom said:
Guess not. Basically, Question tacitly confesses to being a retard pushing a retard cult with retard arguments. So be it.
Click to expand...
He thinks laughing emojis are a serious, academic rebuttal to theological inquiries.
 
Heb 1:9 - Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

What were his "fellows"?
 
Hebrews 2:9 - But we behold him who hath been made a little lower than the angels, even Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned
with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for every man.

Notice that God is NEVER referred to being lower than angels, as the one coming in the flesh and dying- it is ALWAYS His own son...
 
Question said:
There we MANY in heaven when He (not THEY) said we.
Those we describes as ANGELS who spoke for God.
Later, Jehovah told Moses no man had seen Him (not They).
Click to expand...

But God said, “Let us make man in our image…”

If the “us” includes Angels, are you saying that the they have the ability to create man?
 
Question said:
In YOUR case it is!
Click to expand...
From what I’ve seen…A bunch of “haha” and laughing emojis and evasive answers with an occasional insult tossed in the mix. I hope the JW’s weren’t sending their best when they sent you on here to “preach.”
 
Creed said:
But God said, “Let us make man in our image…”

If the “us” includes Angels, are you saying that the they have the ability to create man?
Click to expand...
His only-begotten son was at first an angel- and He created ALL thru him!
I thank you for your kind words!
 

Attachments

  • OURimage_email.jpg
    OURimage_email.jpg
    102.3 KB · Views: 1
Heb 3:1-Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.
2-He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house.

Who can appoint God to ANYTHING?
Can a priest be a priest to HIMSELF?
God appointed JESUS as High Priest, His Word, and perfected his
training.
 
Creed said:
Right.

So, according to your definition, it was God and the angels (messengers) that were involved in the act of creation.
Click to expand...
Jehovah had his chief angel make all things- and I'm sure the millions of angels just didn't stand around!
 
Question said:
Jehovah had his chief angel make all things- and I'm sure the millions of angels just didn't stand around!
Click to expand...

You’re sure about that… in other words, it’s just speculation because scripture says nothing about angels helping Jehovah create the universe.

Here is what scripture does say:

1 John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus created all things, therefore we can conclude that Jesus is God. It’s plain and straightforward - no need for any philosophical mumbo jumbo.
 
Creed said:
You’re sure about that… in other words, it’s just speculation because scripture says nothing about angels helping Jehovah create the universe.

Here is what scripture does say:

1 John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus created all things, therefore we can conclude that Jesus is God. It’s plain and straightforward - no need for any philosophical mumbo jumbo.
Click to expand...

Heb 1:1- In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
2- but in these last days He has spoken to us by His son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.
3- The son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word. After he had provided
purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4- So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

"BECAME"- what was he BEFORE?
Notice how Jesus isn't somehow 'returned' to 'Godhood'?
Notice how he is spoken of a an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PERSON than that of God?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top