Theodicy, will we ever know the full origins of evil?

You know, Noodleneck, I think more people are cottoning on to the fact that you are covering up a lot of ignorance with a lot of bluster.

Talk about clouds without water, blaspheming what they don't understand (Jude 10-12).
 
Ransom said:
You know, Noodleneck, I think more people are cottoning on to the fact that you are covering up a lot of ignorance with a lot of bluster.

Talk about clouds without water, blaspheming what they don't understand (Jude 10-12).
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There is only one name given whereby men must be saved and it is not Calvin.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Because Abel gave in faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Why do you ask?
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But let's examine what you're saying. You said in your prior post,

At the time that Genesis 4:7 occurred Cain was already a sinner who possessed the sin nature. So at that point he did not have the volitional will to “do good” in the sense that we are talking about.

Well then neither did Abel.

It is true that he was being told to make a choice between right and wrong, but his nature showed that sin and its consequences was real.

Abel had the same nature that Cain had when it comes to what they inherited from Adam.

In that sense Cain is no different than me or you. We are told to observe God in obedience and follow his commandments, but we will fully knowingly choose wrong instead of right all the time.

Abel wasn't morally perfect either yet he made a right choice. So looking at how you argue your case, IF I'M READING YOU RIGHT you have God make a statement to Cain, "Will you not be accepted if you do right" but you don't let that mean that he can. It's like you have God tantalizing Cain, building him up for an expectation and an end result he can rightly achieve but going away from and having God say but no I'm not going to give you the ability to fulfill that end result I'm exhorting you about. You do know that is creating a potential end result for Cain to consider? If not why did God say it?
 
Rockson said:
But let's examine what you're saying. You said in your prior post,

At the time that Genesis 4:7 occurred Cain was already a sinner who possessed the sin nature. So at that point he did not have the volitional will to “do good” in the sense that we are talking about.

Well then neither did Abel.

It is true that he was being told to make a choice between right and wrong, but his nature showed that sin and its consequences was real.

Abel had the same nature that Cain had when it comes to what they inherited from Adam.

In that sense Cain is no different than me or you. We are told to observe God in obedience and follow his commandments, but we will fully knowingly choose wrong instead of right all the time.

Abel wasn't morally perfect either yet he made a right choice. So looking at how you argue your case, IF I'M READING YOU RIGHT you have God make a statement to Cain, "Will you not be accepted if you do right" but you don't let that mean that he can. It's like you have God tantalizing Cain, building him up for an expectation and an end result he can rightly achieve but going away from and having God say but no I'm not going to give you the ability to fulfill that end result I'm exhorting you about. You do know that is creating a potential end result for Cain to consider? If not why did God say it?
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Are you suggesting that when a lost person today does charitable deeds he/she is good, in the same sense that God's creation was good prior to the fall?
 
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