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“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”

Hopefully the Lord will give someone close to him the strength to speak to him about this and explain why Mrs. Kirk can forgive the shooter. Mr. Trump recently said that he hopes that he can go to heaven. The opportunity is there right now for someone to walk him through his error of hate and show him how grace is the proper response.

We aren't wrestling against flesh and blood no matter how many of the speakers seemed to think that we are.

The church is tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. Ugly personal attacks is not the way to accomplish that goal. We are to make disciples. Pretty hard to do with someone who you see yourself at war with.
 
If Trump wasn't elected as pastor-in-chief, maybe he should just keep quiet when it comes to theological assertions.
 
Ransom said:
If Trump wasn't elected as pastor-in-chief, maybe he should just keep quiet when it comes to theological assertions.
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Actually I think it's a good thing that it came out as it did. I don't know how it can be any clearer that he is made out of the same fallen flesh as the people who we are supposed to be "at war" with. The only difference between him and his wicked ugly heart and that of (insert Democrat name here) is his politics.

Have I mentioned unequally yoked lately?
 
Just to add some balance, I've seen some people suggesting that these comments were self-deprecating, and his way of saying Kirk was the better man. Kirk could forgive his enemies, Trump admits he can't.
 
subllibrm said:
“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”

Hopefully the Lord will give someone close to him the strength to speak to him about this and explain why Mrs. Kirk can forgive the shooter. Mr. Trump recently said that he hopes that he can go to heaven. The opportunity is there right now for someone to walk him through his error of hate and show him how grace is the proper response.

We aren't wrestling against flesh and blood no matter how many of the speakers seemed to think that we are.

The church is tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. Ugly personal attacks is not the way to accomplish that goal. We are to make disciples. Pretty hard to do with someone who you see yourself at war with.
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I don’t agree with the President’s wording of “I hate my opponents and don’t want the best for them.” I also believe that “loving your enemies” is something Jesus commanded on a personal level, not on a governmental level. The government has been given to us to punish wrong doers and that is part of President Trump’s responsibilities as the head of government. The apostle Paul made it clear, “If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death” (Acts 25:11). Again, in Romans 13 Paul made it clear that those in authority (such as President Trump) are to “carry out wrath on the wrongdoer” and for those that do wrong should “be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.”

In Revelation 18:20 the martyrs of the Tribulation period were told to “rejoice” not over their enemies going to hell but because righteousness and justice has been served.

Psa 96:11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.
Psa 96:12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice
Psa 96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

“When a murderer is brought to justice, good people rejoice. Justice is sweet to the upright in heart. We are informed that the whole creation rejoices because God is going to judge the world with righteousness and truth. This is what Paul preached in Acts 17:30, 31, and what we must preach if we want the world to be saved.” Ray Comfort

You constantly come on this forum lambasting Christians who engage with the culture around us, implying that anyone like Charley Kirk who personally interacted with college students across the nation, speaking out on moral and political issues are compromising the gospel. The idea that a Christian has no right to endorse someone for President whom they believe would be best for the country, trying to explain to the younger generation that has been brainwashed by a corrupt educational system about the dangers of Marxism, Transgenderism and other godless ideologies is your problem, not that of scripture. If you believe a Christian should have nothing to do with politics then quit posting on political subjects.
 
Ransom said:
Just to add some balance, I've seen some people suggesting that these comments were self-deprecating, and his way of saying Kirk was the better man. Kirk could forgive his enemies, Trump admits he can't.
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To state the obvious, if that has any truth to it at all, Trump could/should have it with a lot more clarity.
 
ALAYMAN said:
To state the obvious, if that has any truth to it at all, Trump could/should have it with a lot more clarity.
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Trump should say many things with more clarity but he can’t or won’t. I also took what he said as self deprecation. He’s a long way from a Bible Christian.

I confess that I often struggle with loving my enemies…especially those who actively try to ‘destroy me’.
 
Ransom said:
Just to add some balance, I've seen some people suggesting that these comments were self-deprecating, and his way of saying Kirk was the better man. Kirk could forgive his enemies, Trump admits he can't.
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I took his remarks as such but obviously don’t know his motives.
 
subllibrm said:
“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”

Hopefully the Lord will give someone close to him the strength to speak to him about this and explain why Mrs. Kirk can forgive the shooter. Mr. Trump recently said that he hopes that he can go to heaven. The opportunity is there right now for someone to walk him through his error of hate and show him how grace is the proper response.

We aren't wrestling against flesh and blood no matter how many of the speakers seemed to think that we are.

The church is tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. Ugly personal attacks is not the way to accomplish that goal. We are to make disciples. Pretty hard to do with someone who you see yourself at war with.
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The church is not tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. We are tasked with propagating the Gospel. Charlie Kirk propagated the Gospel and was called a racist and a hater and ultimately killed.

The most powerful part of the service was the ‘I forgive him’ moment stated by a Christian.
Trump was there as President and because Kirk loved and supported him, but is not a Christian. You, of course, didn’t agree. Look at the response of those on the left…maybe they need your can’t we all just get along message.
 
biscuit1953 said:
I don’t agree with the President’s wording of “I hate my opponents and don’t want the best for them.” I also believe that “loving your enemies” is something Jesus commanded on a personal level, not on a governmental level. The government has been given to us to punish wrong doers and that is part of President Trump’s responsibilities as the head of government. The apostle Paul made it clear, “If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death” (Acts 25:11). Again, in Romans 13 Paul made it clear that those in authority (such as President Trump) are to “carry out wrath on the wrongdoer” and for those that do wrong should “be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain.”

In Revelation 18:20 the martyrs of the Tribulation period were told to “rejoice” not over their enemies going to hell but because righteousness and justice has been served.

Psa 96:11 Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof.
Psa 96:12 Let the field be joyful, and all that is therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice
Psa 96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.

“When a murderer is brought to justice, good people rejoice. Justice is sweet to the upright in heart. We are informed that the whole creation rejoices because God is going to judge the world with righteousness and truth. This is what Paul preached in Acts 17:30, 31, and what we must preach if we want the world to be saved.” Ray Comfort

You constantly come on this forum lambasting Christians who engage with the culture around us, implying that anyone like Charley Kirk who personally interacted with college students across the nation, speaking out on moral and political issues are compromising the gospel. The idea that a Christian has no right to endorse someone for President whom they believe would be best for the country, trying to explain to the younger generation that has been brainwashed by a corrupt educational system about the dangers of Marxism, Transgenderism and other godless ideologies is your problem, not that of scripture. If you believe a Christian should have nothing to do with politics then quit posting on political subjects.
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Wow, that's an incredible misreading of my post.

And I don't think you should be using Romans 13 to bolster your argument (such as it is) that Mr. Trump has biblical authority to punish the "wrongdoers" who's only crimes are being his enemies.
 
I have shared in several places that I was pleased with the clear presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ by a man named Turek (sp?) but saddened that it was buried in the avalanche of political rally speeches.

I also learned a new word today, Synchronism. It is a concept that I have been warning against for decades but didn't know a word for it existed. Basically a fancy word for unholy alliance. Reaching the point where the mission of the church can no longer be separated from the goals of the party.

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Seen elsewhere on the internet:

"A political rally promotes a candidate/political party. Whereas a Christian funeral elevates Christ and the power of God over death..."
 
subllibrm said:
Wow, that's an incredible misreading of my post.

And I don't think you should be using Romans 13 to bolster your argument (such as it is) that Mr. Trump has biblical authority to punish the "wrongdoers" who's only crimes are being his enemies.
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Trump’s enemies weaponized the federal government and tried to send him to prison for the rest of his life on trumped up political charges. That wasn’t enough. They also tried to take away everything he had, leaving him and his family bankrupt which is exactly what Tish James campaigned on. She along with Bragg got a misdemeanor past the statutes of limitations and turned it into 34 felonies! Those who commit crimes as these criminals did should be punished so those things don’t happen again. I never in the least misread your post. You have post after post on why Christians should never be involved in “politics” and here you are still starting brand new threads on political subjects.
 
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subllibrm said:
“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”
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That's because Trump is a law enforcement officer, and his opponents are not his personal opponents. They're the opponents of the people and the rule of law. And the proper check on the violence of the wicked is violence done in return. (Gen. 9:6, Deut. 19:21) Thine eye shall not pity them. This is an instruction to the magistrates in their administration of justice, not to the individual in his private, interpersonal relationships.

This act against Charlie Kirk wasn't about Charlie Kirk. It was about us...people who want to live simply and peaceably in accordance with the laws of nature and nature's God. Sub can roam the halls weeping for Robinson all he wants if he finds his assurance of salvation in that. But Trump is doing exactly right not to get soft about this. Is he to bear the sword in vain?

...The modern twists on the Sermon on the mount compels me to disgress somewhat and preempt the cut-and-dried replies: but the Sermon on the Mount...Arthur W. Pink's An Exposition of the Sermon on the Mount is perhaps the most elucidating work on the Sermon to date. I would ask those moved to raise an objection to familiarize themselves with that commentary before parading their ignorance. Thank you. ...

So Erika forgives him...Does she really though? I'm sure she means too. I'm sure she thinks she must. And I'm sure in this emotional whirlwind right now, she thinks she does. And I'm sure she's surrounded by a gaggle of nominal Christians telling her that expressing such a thing at this time would be a powerful gesture.

How is a demand for truth and justice any less Christian?
 
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subllibrm said:
I have shared in several places that I was pleased with the clear presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ by a man named Turek (sp?) but saddened that it was buried in the avalanche of political rally speeches.

I also learned a new word today, Synchronism. It is a concept that I have been warning against for decades but didn't know a word for it existed. Basically a fancy word for unholy alliance. Reaching the point where the mission of the church can no longer be separated from the goals of the party.

*************

Seen elsewhere on the internet:

"A political rally promotes a candidate/political party. Whereas a Christian funeral elevates Christ and the power of God over death..."
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Now, while I can’t abide your wrong headed handwringing both sides are equally guilty arguments, I can see that what you call Christian Nationalism (because you call everything Christian Nationalism) showing its head since the murder of Charlie Kirk.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Now, while I can’t abide your wrong headed handwringing both sides are equally guilty arguments, I can see that what you call Christian Nationalism (because you call everything Christian Nationalism) showing its head since the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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Congratulations. I continue to be hopeful that the believers will see that the political pact that is in play has done far more harm to the church than good for the gospel.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Now, while I can’t abide your wrong headed handwringing both sides are equally guilty arguments, I can see that what you call Christian Nationalism (because you call everything Christian Nationalism) showing its head since the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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I am really not concerned about the guilt of either "side". I am concerned about the church aligning herself with either side and being polluted by way of that association. Once the yeast has been released it cannot be removed.

Forty years ago the church taught us to not compromise our separation and stand for righteousness and truth. Now the church is telling me that I have somehow failed God by doing my best to live that out.
 
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