This Quote Sums Up My Concerns

[DrHuk&Duck]

Sorry, but I don’t view God like that. I don’t believe the unsaved are his “enemies.”

 

[Ekklesian]

What?

He's got his shorts in a bind over the title of this thread. Thinks the Trans Culture (rape culture, that is) needs to be mollycoddled while they brutalize others.

Thread 'We Need a Black Tranny to Stop Her'

Feb 26, 2024

Caitlin Clark Exposes Media Racism

There is a little craziness happening in Iowa and with University of Iowa basketball star, Caitlin Clark. She just set the NCAA all-time women’s scoring record and can make even more history this season by passing Hall of Famer Pete Maravich of...

www.americanthinker.com

... LSU for the all-time NCAA scoring record set in 1970. With two games remaining in the season, Miss Clark averaging ~30 points a game and just needs 51 points to break Pistol Pete’s record that he set during his three seasons in Baton Rouge.​

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But ... The mainstream media purposely avoids the point that Caitlin Clark is doing something no one in the history of women's basketball has ever done. She is selling out arenas everywhere she goes and is responsible...​

• Ekklesian
• Replies: 35
• Forum: Current General News Topics

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[Sherryh]

“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”

Hopefully the Lord will give someone close to him the strength to speak to him about this and explain why Mrs. Kirk can forgive the shooter. Mr. Trump recently said that he hopes that he can go to heaven. The opportunity is there right now for someone to walk him through his error of hate and show him how grace is the proper response.

We aren't wrestling against flesh and blood no matter how many of the speakers seemed to think that we are.

The church is tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. Ugly personal attacks is not the way to accomplish that goal. We are to make disciples. Pretty hard to do with someone who you see yourself at war with.

You can do or say anything but she is saying he loved people and it showed. He did it daily and was a master at helping/debating

 

[subllibrm]

Sharing the Gospel is one thing. Discipleship is for those who have responded to the Gospel. In either case, you aren't going to do much with those who refuse to listen. If I reach out and I'm shut down, what am I to do but move on?

Serious question. Are you (and the rest of the gang here) more likely to be expending energy on reaching the "enemies" or deriding them on the internet?

What seems to be missing around here is an understanding that everything posted is open to anyone who may wander through. The love the sinner, hate the sin isn't going to carry far with someone who reads the rhetoric here on the FFF. Even if no one else could see and read the posts, Jesus can and does. All of the mind your tongue and live peaceably admonishments apply to what is communicated here as well as whatever place of influence you hold in the real world. In fact, it could easily be argued that what is posted here anonymously is a more accurate measure of our hearts and minds than the curated and edited stuff we communicate publicly in our own names.

 

[Sherryh]

Vance/Rubio

Amen

 

[subllibrm]

He's got his shorts in a bind over the title of this thread. Thinks the Trans Culture (rape culture, that is) needs to be mollycoddled while they brutalize others.

Thread 'We Need a Black Tranny to Stop Her'

Feb 26, 2024

Caitlin Clark Exposes Media Racism

There is a little craziness happening in Iowa and with University of Iowa basketball star, Caitlin Clark. She just set the NCAA all-time women’s scoring record and can make even more history this season by passing Hall of Famer Pete Maravich of...

www.americanthinker.com

... LSU for the all-time NCAA scoring record set in 1970. With two games remaining in the season, Miss Clark averaging ~30 points a game and just needs 51 points to break Pistol Pete’s record that he set during his three seasons in Baton Rouge.​

​

But ... The mainstream media purposely avoids the point that Caitlin Clark is doing something no one in the history of women's basketball has ever done. She is selling out arenas everywhere she goes and is responsible...​

• Ekklesian
• Replies: 35
• Forum: Current General News Topics

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I'm happy to hear that you are personally engaging with the black tranny population, sharing the gospel with them and praying fervently that God will give regeneration in their hearts and souls. What a wonderful witness you are being for the cause of Christ. Without a doubt you stand out from the crowd in how you present the unfailing love of Christ. <>

 

[Ransom]

OK, but Jesus died on the cross for all. He desires all to come to the cross. That doesn’t sound like an “enemy.” Now, if someone chooses to not accept the Gospel (e.g., atheists), I can see that person being an enemy.

In WWII, the Germans were "the enemy." Did the Allies desire the death of every German?

OK, but Jesus died on the cross for all.

That, too, is a questionable premise. Did Jesus die "for all"? He was functioning as the Great High Priest. Did the sacrficies made by Aaron and the Levitical priests atone for the sins of, say, the Philistines or the Amalekites? No. They were intended for the people of Israel--those for whom the priests interceded. They weren't intended for the nations that were enemies of God's covenant people, and therefore the enemies of God himself. Just as the Levites interceded for their people, the ones in the Old Covenant, Christ in his priestly role atoned and intercedes for his people--for Christians, participants in the New Covenant.

Why deny communion to non-believers? Because it's not for them--because what it symbolizes was also not for them.

And so there are people who are God's enemies, who are so by choice, and unlike those in the church, will never be reconciled to God and become his friends. They have a different purpose in redemptive history. Pharaoh's purpose in the Exodus was not to become a vessel of God's mercy, but an object of his wrath and his power (Rom. 9:17,22).

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Serious question. Are you (and the rest of the gang here) more likely to be expending energy on reaching the "enemies" or deriding them on the internet?

What seems to be missing around here is an understanding that everything posted is open to anyone who may wander through. The love the sinner, hate the sin isn't going to carry far with someone who reads the rhetoric here on the FFF. Even if no one else could see and read the posts, Jesus can and does. All of the mind your tongue and live peaceably admonishments apply to what is communicated here as well as whatever place of influence you hold in the real world. In fact, it could easily be argued that what is posted here anonymously is a more accurate measure of our hearts and minds than the curated and edited stuff we communicate publicly in our own names.

You can argue anything you want to argue. You, no matter how pious you are….and you get my vote for most pious poster…you do not know me or most of us here.
You have NO idea of the amount of influence any of us have. And for all of your hand wringing and pearl clutching, you have little…no influence on me.

Again, if God were only sovereign!

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

In WWII, the Germans were "the enemy." Did the Allies desire the death of every German?



That, too, is a questionable premise. Did Jesus die "for all"? He was functioning as the Great High Priest. Did the sacrficies made by Aaron and the Levitical priests atone for the sins of, say, the Philistines or the Amalekites? No. They were intended for the people of Israel--those for whom the priests interceded. They weren't intended for the nations that were enemies of God's covenant people, and therefore the enemies of God himself. Just as the Levites interceded for their people, the ones in the Old Covenant, Christ in his priestly role atoned and intercedes for his people--for Christians, participants in the New Covenant.

Why deny communion to non-believers? Because it's not for them--because what it symbolizes was also not for them.

And so there are people who are God's enemies, who are so by choice, and unlike those in the church, will never be reconciled to God and become his friends. They have a different purpose in redemptive history. Pharaoh's purpose in the Exodus was not to become a vessel of God's mercy, but an object of his wrath and his power (Rom. 9:17,22).

This seems like one of those topics that’s going to ultimately spiral into whether someone believed in Calvinism or not. So, if you’re not one of the “elect,” you’re naturally hated by God. One then has to wonder what reason there’d be in that person’s creation in the first place.

 

[voicecrying]

This seems like one of those topics that’s going to ultimately spiral into whether someone believed in Calvinism or not. So, if you’re not one of the “elect,” you’re naturally hated by God. One then has to wonder what reason there’d be in that person’s creation in the first place.

It doesn't have to be about Calvinism:

Romans 5:10
10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.

Enemies are those not reconciled.
Unbelievers are not reconciled.
Unbelievers are enemies of God.

Of course, we are told to love our enemies, not hate them.

 

[DrHuk&Duck]

Perhaps it’s the context of the word “enemy” that is tripping me. I like this article that breaks down the concept of both the conscious and unconscious enemy of Christ: https://christiancourier.com/articles/enemies-of-christ

 

[biscuit1953]

In WWII, the Germans were "the enemy." Did the Allies desire the death of every German?

That, too, is a questionable premise. Did Jesus die "for all"? He was functioning as the Great High Priest. Did the sacrficies made by Aaron and the Levitical priests atone for the sins of, say, the Philistines or the Amalekites? No. They were intended for the people of Israel--those for whom the priests interceded. They weren't intended for the nations that were enemies of God's covenant people, and therefore the enemies of God himself. Just as the Levites interceded for their people, the ones in the Old Covenant, Christ in his priestly role atoned and intercedes for his people--for Christians, participants in the New Covenant.

Why deny communion to non-believers? Because it's not for them--because what it symbolizes was also not for them.

And so there are people who are God's enemies, who are so by choice, and unlike those in the church, will never be reconciled to God and become his friends. They have a different purpose in redemptive history. Pharaoh's purpose in the Exodus was not to become a vessel of God's mercy, but an object of his wrath and his power (Rom. 9:17,22).

I have never heard it presented in that way before. But even in the Old Testament a provision was made for the Gentiles to come to God by becoming Jewish proselytes. That was the purpose of Israel being a covenant nation, to be a witness to the rest of the world. I can see the logic of what you are saying but why go to the level that the blood of Christ wasn’t sufficient for the sins of the whole world? In 2 Peter 2:1 he is very clear that there were false teachers who brought in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. The rest of the chapter goes on and likens these unbelievers as dogs that go back to their vomit and the sow that was washed to her wallowing to the mire.

Aren’t you taking an analogy to put forth a teaching that seemingly contradicts what Peter says in plain language? Many good men have honestly tried to understand the sovereignty of God and the responsibility man but is seems to be a paradox that can’t be fully grasped. Down to the basic level, I don’t see that much of a gap in Calvinists and non-Calvinists in that both believe that repentance and faith in what Christ did on the cross is the only way to heaven and when a non-Calvinist sins what does he do? He repents of that sin. What does a Calvinist do? He repents of that sin. They both turn from that sin. In other words because of being born again God brings conviction to those who are truly saved and they don’t have a desire to continue sinning and wallowing in the mire like the world does. 1 John 2:2 says, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

 

[Bruh]

“He did not hate his opponents, he wanted the best for them, That’s where I disagree with Charlie. I hate my opponents and I don’t want what’s best for them. I’m sorry, I am sorry Erika.”

Hopefully the Lord will give someone close to him the strength to speak to him about this and explain why Mrs. Kirk can forgive the shooter. Mr. Trump recently said that he hopes that he can go to heaven. The opportunity is there right now for someone to walk him through his error of hate and show him how grace is the proper response.

We aren't wrestling against flesh and blood no matter how many of the speakers seemed to think that we are.

The church is tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. Ugly personal attacks is not the way to accomplish that goal. We are to make disciples. Pretty hard to do with someone who you see yourself at war with.

It’s only gonna get worse. That’s all that’s gonna change…..nothing else.

 

[Bruh]

Just to add some balance, I've seen some people suggesting that these comments were self-deprecating, and his way of saying Kirk was the better man. Kirk could forgive his enemies, Trump admits he can't.

Then he should’ve done that…..but he didn’t.

 

[Bruh]

Vance/Kirk '28!

I literally laughed out loud

 

[Bruh]

At this point in my opinion there is no difference between democrats or republicans. Both sides are bought and paid for.

In my opinion us regular people democrats and republicans need to come together and vote ppl in on the issues we agree with. And there is much more that we do agree on than disagree.

The enemy is the government as a whole NOT the ppl.

 

[Bruh]

Trump should say many things with more clarity but he can’t or won’t. I also took what he said as self deprecation. He’s a long way from a Bible Christian.

I confess that I often struggle with loving my enemies…especially those who actively try to ‘destroy me’.

He’s not born again.

 

[Bruh]

I took his remarks as such but obviously don’t know his motives.

His remarks were to rally the base and he’s using Charlie’s death for political gain and purposes.

 

[Bruh]

The church is not tasked with leading the lost out of darkness. We are tasked with propagating the Gospel. Charlie Kirk propagated the Gospel and was called a racist and a hater and ultimately killed.

The most powerful part of the service was the ‘I forgive him’ moment stated by a Christian.
Trump was there as President and because Kirk loved and supported him, but is not a Christian. You, of course, didn’t agree. Look at the response of those on the left…maybe they need your can’t we all just get along message.

I’m tired of both sides saying……yeah but look at them.

My children did the same thing when they were 3 years old, but dad he did it too.

 

[Bruh]

I have shared in several places that I was pleased with the clear presentation of the gospel of Jesus Christ by a man named Turek (sp?) but saddened that it was buried in the avalanche of political rally speeches.

I also learned a new word today, Synchronism. It is a concept that I have been warning against for decades but didn't know a word for it existed. Basically a fancy word for unholy alliance. Reaching the point where the mission of the church can no longer be separated from the goals of the party.

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Seen elsewhere on the internet:

"A political rally promotes a candidate/political party. Whereas a Christian funeral elevates Christ and the power of God over death..."

Charlie’s memorial was a GOP rally.