Thoughts on Covington Catholic?

[Binaca Chugger]

My speculative guess about Phillips' motive for going after the boys was possibly... due to their being Roman Catholic. 

I haven't wasted my time watching any of the videos, but please tell me how he knew these children, waiting for a bus, were Catholic?

They were wearing gear from their school - Covington Catholic

 

[Twisted]

My speculative guess about Phillips' motive for going after the boys was possibly... due to their being Roman Catholic. 

I haven't wasted my time watching any of the videos, but please tell me how he knew these children, waiting for a bus, were Catholic?

They were wearing gear from their school - Covington Catholic

So this Asian-American is a bigot and hates Catholics?  OK.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I watched the videos.  I was appalled. 

Black Hebrew Israelite street preachers should be institutionalized.  They were intending to incite violence and verbally threatened children (Under 18) and women.  They abused a small group of Native Americans, a lone black female, what appeared to be a white mother with her children, a lone black man who told them they need to shut up and move on and a small group of Catholic school kids wearing school gear and MAGA hats.  As the crowd of school kids grew (They were making their way there in small groups after sightseeing, the BHI ramped up their hate speech to antagonize all of the boys.  The boys tried responding respectfully for quite a while.  They can be heard saying things like: "Man, that is rude."  "You shouldn't talk that way."  "You are being racist."  "I don't believe that."  Meanwhile, the BHI were screaming threats of physical violence, and shouting some of the most incredibly awful filth I have ever heard.  The boys started doing team chants and cheers to drown out the noise.  This was their waiting space for the bus.  Enough was getting to be enough.  They turned the other cheek 490 times as over 490 insults had been hurled.  They were beginning to just laugh at the HBI, because, what else can you do? 

Maybe chaperones should have moved them.  The chaperones did repeatedly tell the boys to move back and leave them alone, but this is where they were waiting for their bus and someone decided to just put up with the junk.

Enter Nathan Phillips, keeper of the pot filled peace pipe.  NP walked into the group with his own band of grown men shouting racists remarks ("Go back to Europe!").  He really didn't walk very far into the group.  Sandman didn't have anywhere to go, the crowd stopped moving.  So, he stood there.  A grown man - A veteran of war who has experience with conflict - a man of valor? - began to swing a stick within inches of his face, repeatedly pounding that stick onto a drum that was centimeters from Sandman's body.  This act is threatening.  Standing and smiling is not threatening.  Swinging a stick inches from someone's face is threatening.  Sandman also has another adult native american shouting racist remarks against him into his left ear.  Sandman looks away repeatedly, but there is nowhere for him to go.  So, he stood there and smiled.

The crowd chanted the same Native American? chant that is used by the Florida State Seminoles and half a dozen other teams that have Indian names.  It seemed as though they were happy to have some other distraction from the BHI.  If this is racist, then sue the professional teams - not the boys who sing the song.  Remember, the Indians invaded the space of the boys.  The Indians were shouting racist remarks to the boys.  Sandman smiled.

Because the media mob has an agenda to push, they flew to their keyboards and punched out a false narrative of what happened at this event.  They proclaimed the boys to be hate filled racists of privilege.  They were more concerned with punching out their narrative of how everyone with a MAGA hat is evil than getting the facts.  They failed to do due diligence in their reporting.  Because of their lies, these boys have had their lives threatened by numerous people.  They have received threats of terrorism.  They have had their families attacked. 

Why is the FBI not concerned about the threats against the school?  A few years back, in March Madness, a Lexington radio host gave out the phone number for a business owned by the NCAA ref who cost the Kentucky Wildcats a championship.  Fans began calling the business with prank phone calls.  Some of those calls were threats of violence.  THAT DAY!!!  THAT DAY!! the FBI was answering the phone for the business and making arrests of fans.  Why is the FBI not discovering who was making threats to lock all the students in the school and burn it to the ground?  Why is the media not outraged that people are threatening the lives of children and asking for a school shooter to show up at this school? 

I am sickened.  It's 1984 in 2019.  Nick Sandman has been proclaimed by the major news network as guilty of facecrime.

 

[Ransom]

Fix your quote.  I never said that.

Done. I took Smellins line from your post, but kept the wrong attribution, and didn't notice.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I watched the videos.  I was appalled. ...

Maybe chaperones should have moved them.  The chaperones did repeatedly tell the boys to move back and leave them alone, but this is where they were waiting for their bus and someone decided to just put up with the junk.

This is where I put the majority of any criticism of Covington Catholic.  In a public place such as DC, where dangers of all sorts abound, as a chaperone the very moment I perceived that a group such as the Hebrew Israelites were spewing their venom and throwing out their bait I would have insisted my group become an audience from a much further distance.  I also wouldn't have allowed them to attempt to intimidate or drown out the H.I. group with the combative chants, no matter how much of an outlet for fun or show of power it might have seemed to provide.  The Tomahawk chop, even if dismissed in the vein of the college sports theme, was inappropriate and most likely dismissively disprespectful.  The whole ordeal can serve as a lessons-learned teachable moment for those boys who are being trained to become young men (presumably Christ-followers, to whatever extent that can be granted under the auspices of Roman Catholicism).  I don't think the right approach is to say that they bare ZERO blame in escalating the tensions and becoming red-meat for an excessively biased media freak-show.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I watched the videos.  I was appalled. ...

Maybe chaperones should have moved them.  The chaperones did repeatedly tell the boys to move back and leave them alone, but this is where they were waiting for their bus and someone decided to just put up with the junk.

This is where I put the majority of any criticism of Covington Catholic.  In a public place such as DC, where dangers of all sorts abound, as a chaperone the very moment I perceived that a group such as the Hebrew Israelites were spewing their venom and throwing out their bait I would have insisted my group become an audience from a much further distance.  I also wouldn't have allowed them to attempt to intimidate or drown out the H.I. group with the combative chants, no matter how much of an outlet for fun or show of power it might have seemed to provide.  The Tomahawk chop, even if dismissed in the vein of the college sports theme, was inappropriate and most likely dismissively disprespectful.  The whole ordeal can serve as a lessons-learned teachable moment for those boys who are being trained to become young men (presumably Christ-followers, to whatever extent that can be granted under the auspices of Roman Catholicism).  I don't think the right approach is to say that they bare ZERO blame in escalating the tensions and becoming red-meat for an excessively biased media freak-show.

If the Indian chant is disrespectful, the Indian should not have been singing it.  The boys joined his song.  I have no problem with trying to drown out the hate.  No problem at all.  If I had been chaperoning, I probably would have tried to move my group farther away.  Still, it does not excuse what the HBI did or the challenge that the Indian introduced or the lies that the Indian told or the lies spread by the media or the media calling for violence against the boys or the terroristic threatening that occurred to the school and the families of the boys.

Don't blame the victim for the crime.

 

[FSSL]

Groups stage for their buses in that location.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I watched the videos.  I was appalled. ...

Maybe chaperones should have moved them.  The chaperones did repeatedly tell the boys to move back and leave them alone, but this is where they were waiting for their bus and someone decided to just put up with the junk.

This is where I put the majority of any criticism of Covington Catholic.  In a public place such as DC, where dangers of all sorts abound, as a chaperone the very moment I perceived that a group such as the Hebrew Israelites were spewing their venom and throwing out their bait I would have insisted my group become an audience from a much further distance.  I also wouldn't have allowed them to attempt to intimidate or drown out the H.I. group with the combative chants, no matter how much of an outlet for fun or show of power it might have seemed to provide.  The Tomahawk chop, even if dismissed in the vein of the college sports theme, was inappropriate and most likely dismissively disprespectful.  The whole ordeal can serve as a lessons-learned teachable moment for those boys who are being trained to become young men (presumably Christ-followers, to whatever extent that can be granted under the auspices of Roman Catholicism).  I don't think the right approach is to say that they bare ZERO blame in escalating the tensions and becoming red-meat for an excessively biased media freak-show.

If the Indian chant is disrespectful, the Indian should not have been singing it.  The boys joined his song.  I have no problem with trying to drown out the hate.  No problem at all.  If I had been chaperoning, I probably would have tried to move my group farther away.  Still, it does not excuse what the HBI did or the challenge that the Indian introduced or the lies that the Indian told or the lies spread by the media or the media calling for violence against the boys or the terroristic threatening that occurred to the school and the families of the boys.

Don't blame the victim for the crime.

I agree substantially with your version of events, in both of your answers, so don't take my gentle slight objection to the handling of the Covington Boys by their chaperones as "blaming the victims", but rather "it should have been handled differently" and none of this mess would've happened.

Groups stage for their buses in that location.

I know, but there could've been ways around that.  They had multiple chaperones.  One could've stayed there and waited for the bus while the others whisked the boys to a safe distance  nearby.  Or, if that's too complicated, make it explicitly clear to them not to answer the railing invective of the Hebrew Israelites ("answer a fool not according to his folly").

 

[Binaca Chugger]

The mass media should not have... The BHI should not have...  The old Indian should not have...

In the BHI video, the chaperones tried several times to get the boys to back up and leave it alone, but how would you respond to someone screaming those insults to your children?  What if you were in a restaraunt trying to have a family dinner and someone came in, stood at your table and shouted those insults to your children.  Would you have been that composed?

 

[qwerty]

 

[ALAYMAN]

The mass media should not have... The BHI should not have...  The old Indian should not have...

In the BHI video, the chaperones tried several times to get the boys to back up and leave it alone, but how would you respond to someone screaming those insults to your children?  What if you were in a restaraunt trying to have a family dinner and someone came in, stood at your table and shouted those insults to your children.  Would you have been that composed?

I probably wouldn't personally handle an attack on my family as you've described very well if it was up close and personal, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't strive to diffuse such situations to the best of my ability rather than escalate them.  The distance between the B.H.I. group and the chaperones' "family" wasn't far enough, and it only got closer.  The decision to allow them to do school chants rather than extricate them is definitely like throwing gas on the fire.  Are they the villains in this?  Do they deserve the extreme attacks for their sophomoric behavior?  Absolutely not, but if the chaperones had used more prudence then they wouldn't be facing this crap-storm right now.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I just don't see it that way.  They were waiting for their bus at a designated pick up point.  They can't really just move down the street.  drowning out the hate is a good idea.  Go to any sports arena during tournament time - When one team starts to get loud, the other tries to drown them out.  This is perfectly normal and acceptable behavior in our society.  Many people had tried talking to them and asking them to stop their hate.  Someone decided to try to drown it out.  No problem at all with that. 

The kids and school are facing the crap storm because our major media networks have decided that the hate filled racist remarks and threatening old man should be allowed to promote their agendas while a white kid wearing a MAGA cap was smiling.  The crap storm is only because the media wants to spin doctor every MAGA cap as evil.  They failed to investigate and gave a false report of what happened.  Now, people like yourself have backtracked some, but still want to put the blame on the victim.  Law of first impressions.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I just don't see it that way.  They were waiting for their bus at a designated pick up point.  They can't really just move down the street.  drowning out the hate is a good idea.  Go to any sports arena during tournament time - When one team starts to get loud, the other tries to drown them out.  This is perfectly normal and acceptable behavior in our society.  Many people had tried talking to them and asking them to stop their hate.  Someone decided to try to drown it out.  No problem at all with that. 

The kids and school are facing the crap storm because our major media networks have decided that the hate filled racist remarks and threatening old man should be allowed to promote their agendas while a white kid wearing a MAGA cap was smiling.  The crap storm is only because the media wants to spin doctor every MAGA cap as evil.  They failed to investigate and gave a false report of what happened.  Now, people like yourself have backtracked some, but still want to put the blame on the victim.  Law of first impressions.

This wasn't a high school or college sports event, big difference in the social setting.  I agree with you that there wasn't anything to see of significance here, especially on Covington's side of the equation, but a little more caution and prudence could've avoided idiotic death threats and school closings (though the boys prolly enjoyed that aspect of the storm ).

 

[Ransom]

This wasn't a high school or college sports event, big difference in the social setting.

No, but it was a group of high school students on (essentially) a high school field trip, and so no one should be surprised if they behaved the ways high school students do.

. . . but a little more caution and prudence could've avoided idiotic death threats and school closings

Uh . . . hi. Have you met the Internet?

 

[ALAYMAN]

This wasn't a high school or college sports event, big difference in the social setting.

No, but it was a group of high school students on (essentially) a high school field trip, and so no one should be surprised if they behaved the ways high school students do.

Right.  Which is all the more reason to have prepared chaperones who mitigate and moderate, not accelerate and escalate potentially damaging situations.  I'm not surprised or disappointed in the kids in the least, I've been around the block long enough to know what to expect of Boys Gone Wild.  From the beginning I've maintained the onus of responsibility be on the adults in control of the situation.

Uh . . . hi. Have you met the Internet?

That's a good thought.  Laying the blame on the idiots of social media ain't good enough though.  I teach ALAYboy that what he does in his idiocy gets posted and reposted, then retained for internet eternity.  I did plenty of things for which I'm glad there was no cellphone or internet capturing device.  He (and they) live in a different context.  Act like a fool and incite the mob.  Might want to weigh out whether that's worth the consequent fallout.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I just don't see it that way.  They were waiting for their bus at a designated pick up point.  They can't really just move down the street.  drowning out the hate is a good idea.  Go to any sports arena during tournament time - When one team starts to get loud, the other tries to drown them out.  This is perfectly normal and acceptable behavior in our society.  Many people had tried talking to them and asking them to stop their hate.  Someone decided to try to drown it out.  No problem at all with that. 

The kids and school are facing the crap storm because our major media networks have decided that the hate filled racist remarks and threatening old man should be allowed to promote their agendas while a white kid wearing a MAGA cap was smiling.  The crap storm is only because the media wants to spin doctor every MAGA cap as evil.  They failed to investigate and gave a false report of what happened.  Now, people like yourself have backtracked some, but still want to put the blame on the victim.  Law of first impressions.

This wasn't a high school or college sports event, big difference in the social setting.  I agree with you that there wasn't anything to see of significance here, especially on Covington's side of the equation, but a little more caution and prudence could've avoided idiotic death threats and school closings (though the boys prolly enjoyed that aspect of the storm ).

You continue to lay blame on the victim.

Let me guess:  you also believe if the girl hadn't worn pants she wouldn't have been raped?  Or, if he didn't have such a nice house he would not have been robbed?  Or, if the child would have responded appropriately, his drunken father would not have beaten him?

 

[ALAYMAN]

You continue to lay blame on the victim.

Let me guess:  you also believe if the girl hadn't worn pants she wouldn't have been raped?  Or, if he didn't have such a nice house he would not have been robbed?  Or, if the child would have responded appropriately, his drunken father would not have beaten him?

If I tell my kid to stay away from the gorilla enclosure but to just study him from a safe clear distance but he goes up to the edge of the fence and starts throwing rocks at the primates I'm going to insist he come away from the danger, not implore him to step up onto the ledge or better yet jump inside  so he can get a better angle to hit the beast.  That's a better analogy than saying "I'm blaming the victim". 

 

[Edwards]

Here is the next step in this saga.    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/5/covington-catholic-teen-begins-legal-battle-agains/

 

[Twisted]

Here is the next step in this saga.    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/5/covington-catholic-teen-begins-legal-battle-agains/

Hope the kid cashes in big time.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Here is the next step in this saga.    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/feb/5/covington-catholic-teen-begins-legal-battle-agains/

Sounds like the experts don't believe he has much of a chance, but I do hope he is able to send a message to those who work in the news and media outlets.  Doubt that will have much impact either though.