Time is Eternal.

[praise_yeshua]

I'm going to try this one more time. Then I'll leave you to whatever you want to believe....

I'll make the statement, Time is Eternal.

To establish this statement, I'll reference Scripture and make a few logical points..... Maybe ask a few questions that might establish a "train of thought".

1. For everything there is an appointed time. Ecc 3:1.

Yes. I can hear it already. You're taking this statement out of context. However, I'm not. There is a "thing" called "heaven". A place of Eternal rest. An ever unfolding existence that never ends. This existence is established in a point of Time. It will not take place before or after its appointed time. Yet it will never end. An Eternal "season".

2. Time exudes from the very character of God. He alone brings order. He is "cause".

The absence of Time is nothing but chaos. There is an order to events that can not be undone. A progression. They are written permanently. An Eternal record.... Forever established from the very nature of God. Maybe you've heard the old phrase "Time marches on".

3. Time doesn't cease to exist if the sun explodes. We "measure" time and thus think when our measurement cease.... Time ceases. That is not true. "Morning and Evening" is nothing more than a witness to a solar cycle. Its not the establishment of time or seasons. Seasons are more than things associated with the "tilt of the earth". They are purposes that come forth from the very character of God.

4. There is not one single verse in the Scritpures that declare "time" or "seasons" ceasing to exist. God's Eternal, logical, progressive.... purpose...... exists beyond anything to do with His creation.

 

[prophet]

Utter nonsense.

Earnestly Contend

 

[subllibrm]

Is God in the future or does He have to wait for it to unfold like we do?

If He is already in the future, He is not bound by time.

If He isn't already in the future, how does He declare prophecy?

Or to put it another way, if God is bound by time it invalidates His claim of Omniscience.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Utter nonsense.

Earnestly Contend

So says a KJVO nut!

Care to say why it's nonsense?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is God in the future or does He have to wait for it to unfold like we do?

If He is already in the future, He is not bound by time.

If He isn't already in the future, how does He declare prophecy?

Or to put it another way, if God is bound by time it invalidates His claim of Omniscience.

No God isn't in the future but He is the future.

Prophecy is based on His Eternal Omnipotence. He declares it in the fact He brings it about. Since it's obvious you really have never been a part of a detailed discussion on the character of God... let me help you. Omnipotence supersedes Omniscience. in other words, why need Omniscience if your are all powerful?

I ask you deal with my points. I have dealt with your points.

I'll add one

5. Why must God be abscent Time? Does He need to change something He's done?

 

[subllibrm]

Is God in the future or does He have to wait for it to unfold like we do?

If He is already in the future, He is not bound by time.

If He isn't already in the future, how does He declare prophecy?

Or to put it another way, if God is bound by time it invalidates His claim of Omniscience.

No God isn't in the future but He is the future.

Prophecy is based on His Eternal Omnipotence. He declares it in the fact He brings it about. Since it's obvious you really have never been a part of a detailed discussion on the character of God... let me help you. Omnipotence supersedes Omniscience. in other words, why need Omniscience if your are all powerful?

I ask you deal with my points. I have dealt with your points.

I'll add one

5. Why must God being abscent Time? Does He need to change something He's done?

I really need that picture of the bunny with a pancake on his head. 

Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to say.  :-\

 

[rsc2a]

Is God in the future or does He have to wait for it to unfold like we do?

If He is already in the future, He is not bound by time.

If He isn't already in the future, how does He declare prophecy?

Or to put it another way, if God is bound by time it invalidates His claim of Omniscience.

No God isn't in the future but He is the future.

Prophecy is based on His Eternal Omnipotence. He declares it in the fact He brings it about. Since it's obvious you really have never been a part of a detailed discussion on the character of God... let me help you. Omnipotence supersedes Omniscience. in other words, why need Omniscience if your are all powerful?

I ask you deal with my points. I have dealt with your points.

I'll add one

5. Why must God being abscent Time? Does He need to change something He's done?

I really need that picture of the bunny with a pancake on his head. 

Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to say.  :-\

It's because you are an utter moron who has never really discussed God. Bow before PY's giant brain!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Is God in the future or does He have to wait for it to unfold like we do?

If He is already in the future, He is not bound by time.

If He isn't already in the future, how does He declare prophecy?

Or to put it another way, if God is bound by time it invalidates His claim of Omniscience.

No God isn't in the future but He is the future.

Prophecy is based on His Eternal Omnipotence. He declares it in the fact He brings it about. Since it's obvious you really have never been a part of a detailed discussion on the character of God... let me help you. Omnipotence supersedes Omniscience. in other words, why need Omniscience if your are all powerful?

I ask you deal with my points. I have dealt with your points.

I'll add one

5. Why must God being abscent Time? Does He need to change something He's done?

I really need that picture of the bunny with a pancake on his head. 

Seriously, I have no idea what you are trying to say.  :-\

Then drop out of the discussion or do some research....

Here. This might help but its only a start.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience

I'll try to answer your question so you can understand. Its rather simple but you have to let go of your presuppositions.

You don't understand my question "Why must God be absent Time, Does He need to change something He's done?" because you have presupposed that God is in the future. I have clearly said that He isn't. Either way.... Lets just say that He is for the part of the argument.

If everything has been written or accomplished then this form of Omniscience implies knowledge based on experience. To get around this.... theology has proposed that God is outside of time. Something the Scripture do not declare and common sense denies.

I'll ask again.

5. Why must God be absent Time? Must he learn what man chooses? Must He experience the implications of His own constructive actions?....

Must he fix something He purposed that got out of control? Why do you insist that God is absent time when nothing tells us He is?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever!

I often feel like I'm dealing with a KJVOist when people start throwing this verse around concerning the Immutability of God. You get such "two dimensional" responses.

First and foremost, this verse is a declaration of the character of God. It does not mean that God doesn't change His mind or changes do not take place in the actions of God. They do. It simply means that God's will has always acted in accordance to His unchanging character. God certainly changes when dealing with every changing man. How God has dealt with mankind has changed. In fact, the first few verses of the book of Hebrews reads....

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son

 

[subllibrm]

<snip>Then drop out of the discussion<snip>

There is no discussion. There is just you making declarations. Some related to the point of interest and the rest are insults toward anyone who disagrees with your declarations or posits something that goes against your "presuppositions".

And you wonder what bush we have been around.

 

[Ransom]

It's because you are an utter moron who has never really discussed God. Bow before PY's giant brain!

Also scum, and possibly SCUM.

 

[subllibrm]

It's because you are an utter moron who has never really discussed God. Bow before PY's giant brain!

Also scum, and possibly SCUM.

Don't forget NUT!

 

[prophet]

Utter nonsense.

Earnestly Contend

So says a KJVO nut!

Care to say why it's nonsense?

I'm not sure why you think I'm KJVO, unless your definition of KJVO is highly irregular.
I don't claim to be.

A nut,however, I must confess to being.

Earnestly Contend

 

[praise_yeshua]

Utter nonsense.

Earnestly Contend

So says a KJVO nut!

Care to say why it's nonsense?

I'm not sure why you think I'm KJVO, unless your definition of KJVO is highly irregular.
I don't claim to be.

A nut,however, I must confess to being.

Earnestly Contend

Name a mistake in the KJV.

 

[praise_yeshua]

<snip>Then drop out of the discussion<snip>

There is no discussion. There is just you making declarations. Some related to the point of interest and the rest are insults toward anyone who disagrees with your declarations or posits something that goes against your "presuppositions".

And you wonder what bush we have been around.

We're have I called you a name?

KJVOist are nuts.

Don't pretend I didn't provide discussion points.

 

[praise_yeshua]

It's because you are an utter moron who has never really discussed God. Bow before PY's giant brain!

Also scum, and possibly SCUM.

I've never called you SCUM. Just rsca.

Do you have.a particular reason to defend him?

 

[Walt]

What about the verse in Revelation that I posted in the other discussion that time shall be no more?  Sounds like time will be abolished to me.

 

[Ransom]

Do you have.a particular reason to defend him?

Because you're funny when you're having a temper tantrum.

I've also highlighted an extraneous period in your poorly written sentence. Please try to be more grammatical and less error-prone. Your iPad is no excuse; either learn to use it competently, or get less inferior hardware. Thank you.

 

[Ransom]

What about the verse in Revelation that I posted in the other discussion that time shall be no more?  Sounds like time will be abolished to me.

Do not raise facts that challenge Yeezy.

Law of Yeezy #1: Yeezy is never wrong. Ever.
Corollary #2: In case of a contradiction between Yeezy and Reality, see Law of Yeezy #1.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do you have.a particular reason to defend him?

Because you're funny when you're having a temper tantrum.

I've also highlighted an extraneous period in your poorly written sentence. Please try to be more grammatical and less error-prone. Your iPad is no excuse; either learn to use it competently, or get less inferior hardware. Thank you.

Temper? Hothead Scott talking about temper? Isn't that ironic...

FYI. I manage and have managed millions of dollars worth of tech for many years. My problem with an iPad is its keyboard. I have big fingers. Add the fact IOS has a rather stupid autocorrecting feature and I have problems. I'm not perfect like you are Ransom.