Traditions of men

[praise_yeshua]

I follow one my former IFB pastors on facebook. Don't get it wrong. He's not "former" because he wasn't a good pastor. I just got tired of driving so far to attend services and he eventually moved on to a different church. He now pastors a church up in the foothills of NC. I consider him to be one of the few men that I would listen to about just anything he has to say.

Anyways.... He's been posting about the traditions of men on his feed and I've enjoyed it. In fact, I've wanted to yell out AMEN while reading his feed recently. I thought it might be a good idea to talk about the "traditions of men".

I'll start off with one......

I don't know how many times in my life, I've heard preachers talk about mowing grass on the "Sabbath". (they really meant Sunday)... Time and time again. To be honest, I never gave it much thought growing up. Its just not something we did. I was just told you're not suppose to work on Sundays. I remember one of the first times it dawned on me that these same rascals that were preaching on "mowing grass"...... were the same exact ones going down to the local restaurant to fill their bellies on the "Sabbath". I came to the conclusion.... that it must be all right to work on Sundays as long as the "pastor" was coming to your restaurant to eat after the service.

Really, you can't make this stuff up. Its too real to simply.... to "imagine".

I'm glad I've grown enough in the Lord to see hypocrisy for what it is..... I must admit..... I'm still better at seeing it in others.... .than I am myself. I think that is true of just about anyone. That's probably why we shouldn't get so offended at criticism. When we're wrong. We're wrong. Plain and simple.

We just need to ask the Lord to forgive us, chalk it up to history and CHANGE.....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I once worked for a company that was run by a couple hard-core Dutch Reformed fellas. They would never allow work on Sunday (which is OK in my book anyway) but they thought that only "church things" were to be done on Sunday. I remember coming into work one Monday and they were talking about how they saw one of their teenage boys from their church was pumping gas into his car after work. They were going to confront the boy's parents because he was "breaking the Sabbath".

Every year, these guys would set up a booth at the annual local trade show and man the booth on Sunday anyway which I thought was a little inconsistent. Their claim was they paid for the weekend so it was bad stewardship to lose that day. They would also pay all their business bills as late as possible after the due date before they would accrue a penalty so they could "let their money work up until the very last day".

I like the guys and they were really good guys to work for. But it is funny how even among seriously religious people, sometimes "ethics" goes out of the way when it actually costs them to maintain their religious traditions.

 

[Recovering IFB]

Our old IFB leadership would hound on us that we should do all of our shopping, getting gas, etc. should be done on Saturday because Sunday was the church's Sabbath. But, the deacons would always take visitors and Pastor freinds out to lunch on Sunday's after church. I always thought that they were "causing people to work on the Sabbath" and couldn't figure out how they didn't see this.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I once had an IFB pastor who harped on attending church on vacations - even required it of students.  When he went to his vacation home in Gatlinburg, he refused to go to one of the local churches because they would want to talk church after the service and he was there to vacation.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I once attended church where the IFB youth pastor preached to the teens about being clean shaven, not wearing shorts and attending church despite any condition.

Then we bumped into him on vacation.  He was wearing shorts, was working on a goatee and, when we invited him to the church we were going to, he promised to attend, but didn't  show.

 

[JrChurch]

I once had an IFB pastor who ate at home on Sundays because his wife was a good cook and he liked to rest up for Sunday evening. 

I've had some great pastors. How boring, right? 

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I'm not an SDA, obviously, but the Sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday.  That's just what it is.  If you want to make Sunday the day you don't work, or the day you "go to church" or whatever you choose to do, that's fine.  But it's not the Sabbath.  Calling it the Sabbath is, in fact, the traditions of men. 

 

[subllibrm]

I once worked for a company that was run by a couple hard-core Dutch Reformed fellas. They would never allow work on Sunday (which is OK in my book anyway) but they thought that only "church things" were to be done on Sunday. I remember coming into work one Monday and they were talking about how they saw one of their teenage boys from their church was pumping gas into his car after work. They were going to confront the boy's parents because he was "breaking the Sabbath".

Every year, these guys would set up a booth at the annual local trade show and man the booth on Sunday anyway which I thought was a little inconsistent. Their claim was they paid for the weekend so it was bad stewardship to lose that day. They would also pay all their business bills as late as possible after the due date before they would accrue a penalty so they could "let their money work up until the very last day".

I like the guys and they were really good guys to work for. But it is funny how even among seriously religious people, sometimes "ethics" goes out of the way when it actually costs them to maintain their religious traditions.

Growing up in West Michigan meant living with that type of thing and it actually feeling "normal". The best one I know of is the business owner who paid any of his staff that attended his church 10% more and then deducted and deposited their tithes for them.

BTW we just call them Hollanders.

 

[rsc2a]

I'm pretty sure that's not legal.

 

[subllibrm]

I'm pretty sure that's not legal.

No doubt you are correct. But if you didn't grow up here you don't understand how things work regardless of what the law may say.

 

[prophet]

I once worked for a company that was run by a couple hard-core Dutch Reformed fellas. They would never allow work on Sunday (which is OK in my book anyway) but they thought that only "church things" were to be done on Sunday. I remember coming into work one Monday and they were talking about how they saw one of their teenage boys from their church was pumping gas into his car after work. They were going to confront the boy's parents because he was "breaking the Sabbath".

Every year, these guys would set up a booth at the annual local trade show and man the booth on Sunday anyway which I thought was a little inconsistent. Their claim was they paid for the weekend so it was bad stewardship to lose that day. They would also pay all their business bills as late as possible after the due date before they would accrue a penalty so they could "let their money work up until the very last day".

I like the guys and they were really good guys to work for. But it is funny how even among seriously religious people, sometimes "ethics" goes out of the way when it actually costs them to maintain their religious traditions.

Growing up in West Michigan meant living with that type of thing and it actually feeling "normal". The best one I know of is the business owner who paid any of his staff that attended his church 10% more and then deducted and deposited their tithes for them.

BTW we just call them Hollanders.

If ya ain't Dutch, ya ain't much!

Yeah, "Hollanders" is a curse word, among the trades.

 

[subllibrm]

I once worked for a company that was run by a couple hard-core Dutch Reformed fellas. They would never allow work on Sunday (which is OK in my book anyway) but they thought that only "church things" were to be done on Sunday. I remember coming into work one Monday and they were talking about how they saw one of their teenage boys from their church was pumping gas into his car after work. They were going to confront the boy's parents because he was "breaking the Sabbath".

Every year, these guys would set up a booth at the annual local trade show and man the booth on Sunday anyway which I thought was a little inconsistent. Their claim was they paid for the weekend so it was bad stewardship to lose that day. They would also pay all their business bills as late as possible after the due date before they would accrue a penalty so they could "let their money work up until the very last day".

I like the guys and they were really good guys to work for. But it is funny how even among seriously religious people, sometimes "ethics" goes out of the way when it actually costs them to maintain their religious traditions.

Growing up in West Michigan meant living with that type of thing and it actually feeling "normal". The best one I know of is the business owner who paid any of his staff that attended his church 10% more and then deducted and deposited their tithes for them.

BTW we just call them Hollanders.

If ya ain't Dutch, ya ain't much!

Yeah, "Hollanders" is a curse word, among the trades.

Hot and cold running water and a floor drain in every Dutchman's garage. It ain't breaking the Sabbath if the neighbors can't see you washing your car.

Oh and the stories I could tell about "tipping" the wait staff at restaurant.

 

[Walt]

I follow one my former IFB pastors on facebook. Don't get it wrong. He's not "former" because he wasn't a good pastor. I just got tired of driving so far to attend services and he eventually moved on to a different church. He now pastors a church up in the foothills of NC. I consider him to be one of the few men that I would listen to about just anything he has to say.

Anyways.... He's been posting about the traditions of men on his feed and I've enjoyed it. In fact, I've wanted to yell out AMEN while reading his feed recently. I thought it might be a good idea to talk about the "traditions of men".

I'll start off with one......

I don't know how many times in my life, I've heard preachers talk about mowing grass on the "Sabbath". (they really meant Sunday)... Time and time again. To be honest, I never gave it much thought growing up. Its just not something we did. I was just told you're not suppose to work on Sundays. I remember one of the first times it dawned on me that these same rascals that were preaching on "mowing grass"...... were the same exact ones going down to the local restaurant to fill their bellies on the "Sabbath". I came to the conclusion.... that it must be all right to work on Sundays as long as the "pastor" was coming to your restaurant to eat after the service.

Really, you can't make this stuff up. Its too real to simply.... to "imagine".

I'm glad I've grown enough in the Lord to see hypocrisy for what it is..... I must admit..... I'm still better at seeing it in others.... .than I am myself. I think that is true of just about anyone. That's probably why we shouldn't get so offended at criticism. When we're wrong. We're wrong. Plain and simple.

We just need to ask the Lord to forgive us, chalk it up to history and CHANGE.....

I have heard preaching against mowing the grass, but it was more slanted toward using "mowing the grass" as an excuse to skip church, not doing work.

I have no issue with going out after church.

I think it is wise to rest one day in the week, but I'm not sure that a sabbath kind of rest is commanded of Christians.

Having said that, aside from going out to eat, I don't care to transact any business on Sunday morning or afternoon.  If I need gas, I'll get it either Sat night or after church on Sun night.  I ask people to not call for business reasons on Sunday.  I don't schedule appointments on Sundays.

I don't do this in order to win God's favor (He has already given His Son for me - such pitiful rags would never earn His favor), nor do I look down on those with other opinions or practices.

I know that in previous decades, parents would not allow their children to read novels on Sunday.

 

[rsc2a]

"Those who work with their hands generally sabbath with their minds. Those who work with their minds sabbath with their hands."

With that being said, I find mowing the grass, working in the garden, and building things to be very restful. Nothing quite like going to bed with your muscles sore from a day of swinging a hammer.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I follow one my former IFB pastors on facebook. Don't get it wrong. He's not "former" because he wasn't a good pastor. I just got tired of driving so far to attend services and he eventually moved on to a different church. He now pastors a church up in the foothills of NC. I consider him to be one of the few men that I would listen to about just anything he has to say.

Anyways.... He's been posting about the traditions of men on his feed and I've enjoyed it. In fact, I've wanted to yell out AMEN while reading his feed recently. I thought it might be a good idea to talk about the "traditions of men".

I'll start off with one......

I don't know how many times in my life, I've heard preachers talk about mowing grass on the "Sabbath". (they really meant Sunday)... Time and time again. To be honest, I never gave it much thought growing up. Its just not something we did. I was just told you're not suppose to work on Sundays. I remember one of the first times it dawned on me that these same rascals that were preaching on "mowing grass"...... were the same exact ones going down to the local restaurant to fill their bellies on the "Sabbath". I came to the conclusion.... that it must be all right to work on Sundays as long as the "pastor" was coming to your restaurant to eat after the service.

Really, you can't make this stuff up. Its too real to simply.... to "imagine".

I'm glad I've grown enough in the Lord to see hypocrisy for what it is..... I must admit..... I'm still better at seeing it in others.... .than I am myself. I think that is true of just about anyone. That's probably why we shouldn't get so offended at criticism. When we're wrong. We're wrong. Plain and simple.

We just need to ask the Lord to forgive us, chalk it up to history and CHANGE.....

I have heard preaching against mowing the grass, but it was more slanted toward using "mowing the grass" as an excuse to skip church, not doing work.

I have no issue with going out after church.

I think it is wise to rest one day in the week, but I'm not sure that a sabbath kind of rest is commanded of Christians.

Having said that, aside from going out to eat, I don't care to transact any business on Sunday morning or afternoon.  If I need gas, I'll get it either Sat night or after church on Sun night.  I ask people to not call for business reasons on Sunday.  I don't schedule appointments on Sundays.

I don't do this in order to win God's favor (He has already given His Son for me - such pitiful rags would never earn His favor), nor do I look down on those with other opinions or practices.

I know that in previous decades, parents would not allow their children to read novels on Sunday.

Walt, you are just too reasonable....a rare trait on the 666. 

 

[FSSL]

I will continue to go to restaurants on the Sabbath.
I will enjoy sports and going to see games.
I will spend the Sabbath partying it up.

Sabbath begins Friday night and ends Saturday night.

HOWEVER, I will not mow the lawn on that day. I live at RV resorts and someone has that covered

 

[BobbyG]

Traditions of men......creates a  bunch of warped folks....

 

[praise_yeshua]

I follow one my former IFB pastors on facebook. Don't get it wrong. He's not "former" because he wasn't a good pastor. I just got tired of driving so far to attend services and he eventually moved on to a different church. He now pastors a church up in the foothills of NC. I consider him to be one of the few men that I would listen to about just anything he has to say.

Anyways.... He's been posting about the traditions of men on his feed and I've enjoyed it. In fact, I've wanted to yell out AMEN while reading his feed recently. I thought it might be a good idea to talk about the "traditions of men".

I'll start off with one......

I don't know how many times in my life, I've heard preachers talk about mowing grass on the "Sabbath". (they really meant Sunday)... Time and time again. To be honest, I never gave it much thought growing up. Its just not something we did. I was just told you're not suppose to work on Sundays. I remember one of the first times it dawned on me that these same rascals that were preaching on "mowing grass"...... were the same exact ones going down to the local restaurant to fill their bellies on the "Sabbath". I came to the conclusion.... that it must be all right to work on Sundays as long as the "pastor" was coming to your restaurant to eat after the service.

Really, you can't make this stuff up. Its too real to simply.... to "imagine".

I'm glad I've grown enough in the Lord to see hypocrisy for what it is..... I must admit..... I'm still better at seeing it in others.... .than I am myself. I think that is true of just about anyone. That's probably why we shouldn't get so offended at criticism. When we're wrong. We're wrong. Plain and simple.

We just need to ask the Lord to forgive us, chalk it up to history and CHANGE.....

I have heard preaching against mowing the grass, but it was more slanted toward using "mowing the grass" as an excuse to skip church, not doing work.

I heard it both ways. Either way, it has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

I have no issue with going out after church.

I think it is wise to rest one day in the week, but I'm not sure that a sabbath kind of rest is commanded of Christians.

Why are you not "sure" about this? Really? I hope you realize that Christ is our rest and that the allegory of the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ Jesus. He'll not share his Glory with another.....

Having said that, aside from going out to eat, I don't care to transact any business on Sunday morning or afternoon.  If I need gas, I'll get it either Sat night or after church on Sun night.  I ask people to not call for business reasons on Sunday.  I don't schedule appointments on Sundays.

Why? Its really simple. Really, really simple. The Sabbath has never been on Sunday. Never. You can go back thousands of years and never tie the Sabbath to Sunday. Never. Have you studied the Jewish calendar very often?

I don't do this in order to win God's favor (He has already given His Son for me - such pitiful rags would never earn His favor), nor do I look down on those with other opinions or practices.

Great. I've never seen anything that might make me think otherwise. I'm just curious why you seem to want to honor the "first day of the week"?

I know that in previous decades, parents would not allow their children to read novels on Sunday.

What did Billy Sunday have to say about it? Or Harold Sightler? Just to name a couple.... there are many more.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I will continue to go to restaurants on the Sabbath.
I will enjoy sports and going to see games.
I will spend the Sabbath partying it up.

Sabbath begins Friday night and ends Saturday night.

HOWEVER, I will not mow the lawn on that day. I live at RV resorts and someone has that covered

I tend to mow my yard on Sunday. Have for several years now. Its just the best day for me to do it. I tend to do things when they are the best for me to do it. I never really give thought to what day the week it might be.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

So, apparently, this thread is all about working on Sunday.  The notion that we should do no work on Sunday to celebrate the Sabbath is bogus.  Once, I was trimming the hedges on Sunday afternoon between services.  It was the only time I had - I was working ALOT.  Some two-bit member drove by, pulled over and hollered out the window at me rather irate that I would be working on the Sabbath.  My response?  "If Jesus worked in the field on the Sabbath, I can work in my yard.  Just trying to like Jesus!"  They drove away.