Trudeau is afraid of truckers?

Ruan away Trudeau! CHICKEN dung PM.
 
Yeah, it's awfully coincidental that he was exposed to COVID-19 and self-isolated the day before the demonstrations began, and that he tested postiive right before Parliament resumed yesterday, so he didn't have to show up on the HIll.

Real coincidental.
 
Ransom said:
Yeah, it's awfully coincidental that he was exposed to COVID-19 and self-isolated the day before the demonstrations began, and that he tested postiive right before Parliament resumed yesterday, so he didn't have to show up on the HIll.

Real coincidental.
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How is this playing out in the court of public opinion in Canada?
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
How is this playing out in the court of public opinion in Canada?
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Mixed. A lot of Canadians support their aims. For example, facing public backlash, the provincial government in Quebec just scrapped plans to charge an extra tax to unvaccinated people for health care. I think as a general rule, most Canadians are starting to feel that after nearly two years, enough is enough.

On the other hand, a lot also think the convoy are just right-wing anti-vax reactionaries. Typical with the press, they're focusing on the relatively few distasteful things the mob have done (with a crowd of something over 50,000, apparently, they're inevitable) and blowing it out of proportion. For example, it's been reported that a landmark statue near Parliament Hill has been "defaced." Someone draped a flag on it. Technically that might fit the definition of defacement, but the word seems rather carefully chosen to imply some sort of physical damage to the statue, which has not happened. On Saturday, a few protesters parked, illegally, at the national War Memorial. They were towed. Some American news networks I've heard have reported this stuff as a mob of thousands roaming around downtown Ottawa desecrating national monuments, instead of a handful of ignoramuses.

It's been four days, and I think some of the downtown businesses are starting to suffer. This protest started just as the province started easing restrictions that closed up all the restaurants, for example. The largest shopping centre in the city (which is about a block from the Hill) has been closed since Saturday and announced today that they will remain closed until Sunday, because there are too many protesters coming in, flouting the rules, and refusing to mask up while they're in the building. The roads are closed in several blocks of the downtown core, disrupting traffic and public transit. The general feeling downtown, I think, is that the truckers are starting to overstay their welcome.

I can see that point of view, but as long as they behave within the law, legal residents of Canada have a constitutional right to be here and to express themselves.
 
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Ransom said:
Yeah, it's awfully coincidental that he was exposed to COVID-19 and self-isolated the day before the demonstrations began, and that he tested postiive right before Parliament resumed yesterday, so he didn't have to show up on the HIll.

Real coincidental.
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He's a Weiner, and everyone knows it! So much for his "leadership!" He lacks credibility NOW more than ever!
 
Ransom said:
Mixed. A lot of Canadians support their aims. For example, facing public backlash, the provincial government in Quebec just scrapped plans to charge an extra tax to unvaccinated people for health care. I think as a general rule, most Canadians are starting to feel that after nearly two years, enough is enough.

On the other hand, a lot also think the convoy are just right-wing anti-vax reactionaries. Typical with the press, they're focusing on the relatively few distasteful things the mob have done (with a crowd of something over 50,000, apparently, they're inevitable) and blowing it out of proportion. For example, it's been reported that a landmark statue near Parliament Hill has been "defaced." Someone draped a flag on it. Technically that might fit the definition of defacement, but the word seems rather carefully chosen to imply some sort of physical damage to the statue, which has not happened. On Saturday, a few protesters parked, illegally, at the national War Memorial. They were towed. Some American news networks I've heard have reported this stuff as a mob of thousands roaming around downtown Ottawa desecrating national monuments, instead of a handful of ignoramuses.

It's been four days, and I think some of the downtown businesses are starting to suffer. This protest started just as the province started easing restrictions that closed up all the restaurants, for example. The largest shopping centre in the city (which is about a block from the Hill) has been closed since Saturday and announced today that they will remain closed until Sunday, because there are too many protesters coming in, flouting the rules, and refusing to mask up while they're in the building. The roads are closed in several blocks of the downtown core, disrupting traffic and public transit. The general feeling downtown, I think, is that the truckers are starting to overstay their welcome.

I can see that point of view, but as long as they behave within the law, legal residents of Canada have a constitutional right to be here and to express themselves.
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Yes...the way the reports were coming out, the MSM tried to make it seem like these truckers were stopping and stealing food from the homeless people...They were just going to homeless shelters and asking for food. The MSM likes to twist words until they no longer have any meaning. No wonder people no longer trust them.
 
illinoisguy said:
I heard a rumor that the Canadian Prime Minister was a shameless coward and had to go into hiding, for fear of a convoy of truckers.

It wasn't true, deau.
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LOL...No Rumor...the wuss HAS hidden, and I believe someone told me that he's asked Mr. Biden to come and sniff his hair and speak to him in the "whisper" he uses in his news conferences for effect! :)
 
I heard a rumor today he was hiding in one of the trucks...like Tom Cruise in the closet (South Park).
 
Americans are donating millions of dollars to support the Ottawa trucker's protest, through a "Christian fundraising platform" that I never heard of, called GiveSendGo.

www.businessinsider.com

Canadian truckers protesting vaccines turned to a Christian fundraising site after GoFundMe blocked donations. They've already raised $4 million.

The group known as Freedom Convoy turned to the Christian fundraising site GiveSendGo after GoFundMe suspended their campaign.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

I question the appropriateness of Americans pumping massive financial support to a protest that is making life miserable for people in central Ottawa (a really nice place - I visited there in 1994). Even if most of the allegations about the protesters, from the biased liberal news media, are untrue, it appears that the truckers are conducting massive civil disobedience and lawbreaking, by their blocking of traffic and violation of noise regulations. The Canadian government has declared a "state of emergency" over this mess. There are probably going to be a lot of hard feelings in Canada over the way Americans are egging this on and funding this. I would certainly be irritated if Canadians were funding an occupation of my city, anything like this. Seems to me that the vaccination controversy in Canada is an internal issue that Canadians should be allowed to hash out among themselves. Yes, Americans are allowed to express their opinion and put in our 2 cents worth, but for us to fund lawbreakers who are creating tremendous disruption and hardship for the people of Ottawa is taking things a little too far.

I suppose this raises the long-standing question as to what extent, and under what conditions, it is permissible for Christians to participate in civil disobedience. Over the years I have participated in a number of massive protest demonstrations in Chicago, but I never observed any lawbreaking (including unauthorized blocking of traffic) in any of those protests. Had any such lawbreaking started to occur, I would have immediately gone home.
 
illinoisguy said:
The Canadian government has declared a "state of emergency" over this mess.
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Correction: The state of emergency was declared by Jim Watson, the mayor. There's no state of emergency declared by the national or provincial government. Incidentally, this doesn't give Watson any greater executive powers; it just means there's less red tape to cut through to get things done.

It's annoying because the protest is national, but it's the municipal government that's taken the brunt of enforcing this. My roommate had the right idea: the truckers' beef is with the national government, not the city; they should have limited their occupation to lands managed by the National Capital Commission, like the parkways, and let the feds deal with them.

illinoisguy said:
There are probably going to be a lot of hard feelings in Canada over the way Americans are egging this on and funding this.
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You're probably right about that. I don't like that foreign currency is bankrolling this, either.
 
Looks like the Canadian trucker protest may be just the beginning of a new fad - some are advocating that truckers shut down the Super Bowl, as revenge for the "kneelers:"

www.yahoo.com

Republican Lawmaker Basically Begs Anti-Vax Truckers to Blockade the Super Bowl

There's almost no chance of the blockade happening, but Rep. Wendy Rodgers, part of the "law-and-order" GOP, is basically pining for it
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If it's okay for us Americans to finance a protest that may have the effect of bringing down the Canadian government, then how would we like it if foreigners start doing the same thing to us? How about if Canadians, or Russians, Chinese, Venezuelans, etc. finance a massive trucker protest to occupy and shut down commercial and residential areas of Washington DC until Biden and Kamala agree to all their demands, or resign? I am no fan of Trudeau and his Liberals and would be happy to see them go, but I don't think it is our place as Americans to carry out "regime change" in Canada.

Protest blockades of highways and railroads in Canada are nothing new - the First Nations do it all the time in Canada, as well as in Mexico and I even encountered such a blockade once on the Seneca reservation in Salamanca, New York. But this is the first time that I have heard that Americans have endorsed and funded Canadian protest blockades. I hope this is not the start of a new trend.
 
illinoisguy said:
Americans are donating millions of dollars to support the Ottawa trucker's protest, through a "Christian fundraising platform" that I never heard of, called GiveSendGo.

www.businessinsider.com

Canadian truckers protesting vaccines turned to a Christian fundraising site after GoFundMe blocked donations. They've already raised $4 million.

The group known as Freedom Convoy turned to the Christian fundraising site GiveSendGo after GoFundMe suspended their campaign.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

I question the appropriateness of Americans pumping massive financial support to a protest that is making life miserable for people in central Ottawa (a really nice place - I visited there in 1994). Even if most of the allegations about the protesters, from the biased liberal news media, are untrue, it appears that the truckers are conducting massive civil disobedience and lawbreaking, by their blocking of traffic and violation of noise regulations. The Canadian government has declared a "state of emergency" over this mess. There are probably going to be a lot of hard feelings in Canada over the way Americans are egging this on and funding this. I would certainly be irritated if Canadians were funding an occupation of my city, anything like this. Seems to me that the vaccination controversy in Canada is an internal issue that Canadians should be allowed to hash out among themselves. Yes, Americans are allowed to express their opinion and put in our 2 cents worth, but for us to fund lawbreakers who are creating tremendous disruption and hardship for the people of Ottawa is taking things a little too far.

I suppose this raises the long-standing question as to what extent, and under what conditions, it is permissible for Christians to participate in civil disobedience. Over the years I have participated in a number of massive protest demonstrations in Chicago, but I never observed any lawbreaking (including unauthorized blocking of traffic) in any of those protests. Had any such lawbreaking started to occur, I would have immediately gone home.
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I'm SO thankful that the French didn't feel that way about helping the colonists fight against the tyranny of the British crown, with them assisting us in gaining our FREEDOM from the UK and King George! I'm also thankful that we don't usually stand by when it's a matter of conscience and fighting tyranny anywhere in the world!
The only person declaring a state of emergency was the Mayor of Ottowa, not any of the FEDERAL government. I believe it's necessary to make that distinction here.
 
Ransom said:
Correction: The state of emergency was declared by Jim Watson, the mayor. There's no state of emergency declared by the national or provincial government. Incidentally, this doesn't give Watson any greater executive powers; it just means there's less red tape to cut through to get things done.

It's annoying because the protest is national, but it's the municipal government that's taken the brunt of enforcing this. My roommate had the right idea: the truckers' beef is with the national government, not the city; they should have limited their occupation to lands managed by the National Capital Commission, like the parkways, and let the feds deal with them.



You're probably right about that. I don't like that foreign currency is bankrolling this, either.
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So, you’d say that the tide of public opinion has turned against the truckers then?
 
Doesn't sound to me like Canadians are begging America to come to the rescue and help them fight tyranny - at least, not a majority of them:

toronto.citynews.ca

Canadians support military to end Ottawa protests | CityNews Toronto

A new poll finds more than two-thirds of Canadians would support the use of military force to help clear out Ottawa protesters, while support for the truckers has fallen to 20 per cent
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"A new poll finds more than two-thirds of Canadians would support the use of military force to help clear out Ottawa protesters, while support for the truckers has fallen to 20 per cent – both for what they are protesting and how they are going about it.

"The latest survey by Maru Public Opinion finds 64 per cent approve using the Armed Forces to clear out trucks with heavy tows while 53 per cent support the use of force by Ottawa police to remove truckers, their families and others who refuse to leave. This includes the use of tear gas and other methods, with the understanding that such measures could result in injury.

"Two-thirds of Canadians believe Canada’s democracy is being threatened by the protesters while 67 per cent of those asked believe the truckers are being heavily funded by foreign interests. Six in 10 equate the current protests to the same mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol back on January 6, 2021."
 
strikes don;t hurt the people in power neary as much as they hurt all the other people who rely on the products and services the strikers deliver..... in the end strikes almost always turn public opinion against the people on the picket lines..... ... and the idea that you can pressure people at the bottom by denying them goods and services... and that pressure will be felt by those at the top, only works in rare cases where the people at the top are subject to the same rules and conditions as the people on the bottom..... ...... both our country and canada moved away from that kind of economic structure a long time ago... ..... ..people in power now can have their goods and groceries delivered by helicopter if they want to ..and still have the poor people on the bottom ..who are going without,.. pay the bill for it..... ... and the closer we move towards socialism the worse that scenario will become... ..unfortunately... strikes like this one will only help us get there faster.... .
 
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