Trump targets Iran's Supreme Leader in first wave of joint attack with Israel as Tehran strikes back at US bases across region and at Tel Aviv

Personally, Im not sure how or how much this furthered American interest.
Did we or didn’t we dismantle Iran’s nuclear capability on the last bomb drop?
I’m all for freedom for the Iranian people but that’s no reason (in itself) to go to war with them.

And, as to Israel, given the freedom to do so, they can take care of themselves at this point. My hope is that this ends quickly without escalating to the point of troops on the ground….but stranger things have happened.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Are you a pacifist? I’m going to say no. If that’s the case, what kind of circumstances would ever merit going to war in your mind?
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Maybe an actual threat to America.

Iran may be a threat to Israel but not America. Iran is not an imminent danger to America.
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Personally, Im not sure how or how much this furthered American interest.
Did we or didn’t we dismantle Iran’s nuclear capability on the last bomb drop?
I’m all for freedom for the Iranian people but that’s no reason (in itself) to go to war with them.

And, as to Israel, given the freedom to do so, they can take care of themselves at this point. My hope is that this ends quickly without escalating to the point of troops on the ground….but stranger things have happened.
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I see this as a calculated risk. The Trump administration knows how disastrous our occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan were. I do not believe he wants to replicate that. However, a nuclear armed fanatically Islamic regime who is actively sponsoring terrorist organizations, namely, Hamas and the houthis while killing their own citizens for daring to oppose their tyranny is not in anyone's best interests.

The risk calculation takes into consideration the response of Russia and China which, so far, have only voiced opinions. The other risk is will the people who have been opposing the Islamic regime be able to organize themselves into a stable government that will abandon 47 years of terrorism sponsorship and threats to others. Therein lies the gamble. Either way, what has been happening since 1979 must stop. We can eliminate their nuclear capabilities but they will merely rebuild.

I'm not really enthusiastic about all of this but status quo cannot continue.
 
ALAYMAN said:
No, I would not, but it wouldn’t be out of a belief that our government is infiltrated by Israeli-blinded sympathizers who are only engaging in military actions at the behest of billionaire warmongers.

I don’t follow your line of reasoning. Why are you comparing the motives and justification for our military actions to those dynamics that were at play which caused the Civil War?
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What I’m saying is, sending our children to die in Iran, is that as noble as sending our sons to fight in WWII?
 
Afghanistan belongs to the Taliban.

Syria belongs to Al-Qaeda

Iraq doesn’t want us there it’s a fragmented country.

Lybia is a failed state. They still don’t have a government.

This is our tax dollars.
This is our sons and daughters that are dying in Iran and the list I shared above.

We don’t need regime change in the Middle East.

We need regime change in America!
 
Ransom said:
For what side is it "noble"? Your boyfriend is a noted Hitler fanboy.
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@Bruh this shot by Ransom is snarky but it’s a pretty fair question. Hitler was seeking to conquer the world ultimately, and the turban crowd would too via Jihad. They’ve tried to do so recently via Caliphate/ISIS. Would you take such a non-interventionist position on the Middle East if they were more successful at combining forces amongst the existing Muslim nations?
 
Bruh said:
Afghanistan belongs to the Taliban.
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The Taliban who took over from the local warlords that filled the power vacuum after the Soviets pulled out of their invasion of the republic that abolished the constitutional monarchy?

Why should we stop at the Taliban and decide they were the rightful government?

Syria belongs to Al-Qaeda
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Why al-Qaeda and not ISIS?

And so forth. No one asked Nick Fuentes to decide who gets to govern the Middle East, either.
 
ALAYMAN said:
@Bruh this shot by Ransom is snarky but it’s a pretty fair question. Hitler was seeking to conquer the world ultimately, and the turban crowd would too via Jihad. They’ve tried to do so recently via Caliphate/ISIS. Would you take such a non-interventionist position on the Middle East if they were more successful at combining forces amongst the existing Muslim nations?
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Why would America need to combine forces with anyone in the Middle East?

If I understand you correctly? You do not see Israel as a threat.

When Iran is defeated Israel will have 300 Nuclear bombs. No one has that in that region. America is bound by law that says, America has to give more weapons to Israel than we do other countries in that area. We have to make sure that they have the edge militarily.

We are creating a superpower that not even America will be able to restrain. Iran balanced Israel. Iran allowed the US to keep our finger on the scale.

Israel will expand and this will not be in Americas best interest.
 
Ransom said:
The Taliban who took over from the local warlords that filled the power vacuum after the Soviets pulled out of their invasion of the republic that abolished the constitutional monarchy?

Why should we stop at the Taliban and decide they were the rightful government?



Why al-Qaeda and not ISIS?

And so forth. No one asked Nick Fuentes to decide who gets to govern the Middle East, either.
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Iran falls and Israel will govern the Middle East.

I can’t expect you to understand this….you’re not an American.

When it’s time to conquer Canada America will do it with water guns and it will be our women in the Air Force that do it.
 
Little Marco said there is no enrichment.
 
Watching Face the Nation and Lying Ted just said, they do not have the capacity to make a Nuclear weapon but that they have a desire to do so.

To be clear, we are doing this because of their desire.

So I’d say, definitely as important as WWII to have our children to go and die on behalf of another foreign nation.
 
Bruh said:
Afghanistan belongs to the Taliban.

Syria belongs to Al-Qaeda

Iraq doesn’t want us there it’s a fragmented country.

Lybia is a failed state. They still don’t have a government.

This is our tax dollars.
This is our sons and daughters that are dying in Iran and the list I shared above.

We don’t need regime change in the Middle East.

We need regime change in America!
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The instability of much of the Middle East is one reason Ekk and I are for keeping Israel, our main ally there, strong and stable.
 
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Is there anyone in here that if their son was wanting to go into the military to go to Iran, would you tell them this is a war worth dying for?
 
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